Avodah Zarah 54b
עבודה זרה נ״ד ע״ב
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Topic
How an act can forbid another's property or an exchange for עבודה זרה (including חליפי חליפין and שביעית), and why God does not destroy objects of idol worship
Overview
The amud opens by explaining how someone who slaughters another person's animal for עבודה זרה can forbid it, even though a person cannot forbid what is not his. The proof is the Temple כלים of אחז: because a real act of worship was done with them, they became forbidden. רבי יוחנן adds two cases where an act forbids things that bowing alone does not: digging pits in the ground, and trading animals for an idol. רבין then reports a מחלוקת about whether an exchange of an exchange (חליפי חליפין) is also forbidden. Each side explains its verse, and the debate turns on whether שני כתובין הבאין כאחד teach other cases, with שביעית as the example of status passing along a chain of purchases. A new משנה follows, telling how the elders in Rome explained why God does not destroy idols: the world needs the sun and moon, and He will not destroy His world because of fools. The גמרא adds that the world follows its normal course and sinners will be judged later. It ends with רבן גמליאל's parables answering a philosopher, and his supporting פסוק comes on the next amud.
Opening lines
וְאֶלָּא מִכֵּלִים,
But rather, from vessels,
דִּכְתִיב:
as it is written:
״וְאֶת כׇּל הַכֵּלִים
"And all the vessels
אֲשֶׁר הִזְנִיחַ הַמֶּלֶךְ אָחָז
which King Ahaz cast away
The steps (33)
- ProofA source from the Temple vessels of King Ahaz
- ChallengeBut a person cannot forbid what is not his
- ResolutionDoing an act on an item forbids it, so the animal is forbidden too
- StatementDigging in the ground for idol worship forbids it
- StatementTrading animals for an idol forbids them
- StatementIs an exchange of an exchange also forbidden?
- QuestionWhat is the source for forbidding a second exchange?
- ResponseAnything you get from the idol is like it
- ResponseThe other side: only 'it' is forbidden
- ResolutionThe strict side uses 'הוא' for ערלה and כלאי הכרם
- ResolutionNo verse needed: שני כתובין הבאין כאחד
- StatementThe two verses: עבודה זרה and שביעית
- ChallengeIf שביעית is like קודש, does the fruit lose its status?
- ResolutionThe word 'תִּהְיֶה' keeps the fruit forbidden
- StatementHow the שביעית status moves along a chain of purchases
- ResolutionThe strict side: two matching verses do teach, so 'הוא' is needed
- StatementWhy God does not wipe out עבודה זרה
- ChallengeThen let God destroy only the useless idols
- ResolutionDestroying some idols would make the others look real
- QuestionThe philosophers ask why God does not destroy idol worship
- ResponseThe world follows its course, and fools will be judged
- StatementStolen wheat still grows
- StatementA forbidden relationship can still produce a child
- Statementריש לקיש: sinners force God to finish their work
- QuestionA philosopher asks why God punishes the worshippers but not the idol
- Responseרבן גמליאל's parable of the king, his son and the dog
- ChallengeThe philosopher objects that the idol has real power
- Questionרבן גמליאל asks what he saw
- ProofThe philosopher's proof: the fire that spared the idol's temple
- RejectionA king fights the living, not the dead
- ChallengeThen why not destroy the idol?
- ResolutionGod won't destroy the world because of fools
- ProofIntroducing a supporting verse