Avodah Zarah 63b
עבודה זרה ס״ג ע״ב
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Topic
Whether paying later for something forbidden counts as paying for the איסור, using the employer-and-workers ברייתא, followed by whether one may be paid to break barrels of יין נסך.
Overview
The amud starts in the middle of a ברייתא about an employer who feeds his workers. If he hands them a coin, he is not responsible for what they buy. If he says 'go eat and I'll pay,' he must worry about שביעית, מעשר and יין נסך. The גמרא infers from this that paying a debt later still counts as paying for the forbidden item. רב חסדא first limits the ברייתא to a storekeeper who regularly gives credit, but that answer is challenged twice. רבא then rules that a debt not tied to specific money is not forbidden. To explain why the ברייתא still worries, רב פפא says the employer paid a דינר in advance, and רב אשי says he handed over the food himself. Each of them reads the ברייתא's wording to fit his case. A new question follows: may someone be paid to break barrels of יין נסך? רב נחמן allows it and blesses him. The גמרא begins bringing a ברייתא about hoeing in a field of כלאים as possible support, and that discussion continues on the next amud.
Opening lines
לֹא מִשּׁוּם שְׁבִיעִית,
not because of Sabbatical-Year produce,
וְלֹא מִשּׁוּם מַעֲשֵׂר,
and not because of tithe,
וְלֹא מִשּׁוּם יֵין נֶסֶךְ.
and not because of libation wine.
וְאִם אָמַר לָהֶם:
But if he said to them:
The steps (17)
- ProofWorker spends the employer's coin himself: no worry
- Proof'Go eat and I'll pay': the employer must worry
- ProofInference: paying later is still paying for the איסור
- Rejectionרב חסדא: the ברייתא is about a storekeeper who gives regular credit
- ChallengeIf credit made the difference, the ברייתא should have said so in its own case
- ChallengeEven without regular credit the employer is obligated, as a guarantor is
- Rejectionרבא: the debt is real, but since it is not tied to specific money, it is permitted
- ChallengeWhy is the ברייתא concerned at all?
- Resolutionרב פפא: the employer paid a דינר in advance
- Challengeרב זביד: then the wording should be 'I will calculate'
- Resolutionרב כהנא: read the ברייתא as 'I will calculate'
- Resolutionרב אשי: the employer handed over the food himself
- Challengeרב יימר: then the wording should be 'take and eat'
- Resolutionרב אשי: read the ברייתא as 'take and eat'
- QuestionWages for breaking barrels of יין נסך
- Responseרב נחמן: Let him break the barrels and be blessed
- ProofProposed support from a teaching about hoeing in a field of mixed crops