Bava Basra 104b
בבא בתרא ק״ד ע״ב
Bava Batra 104b
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Topic
Returning extra land in a sale: רב נחמן's margin rule, רב אשי's questions, and the new משנה on 'measured by the rope'
Overview
This amud first finishes רב נחמן's rule about a seller who gave more land than agreed. The buyer may keep a small margin of a רובע (a quarter קב) for each סאה. Extra is returned only if it goes past that margin and is also a meaningful size. רבא challenges him three times from the משנה's measures: nine קבין in a field, half a קב in a garden, and רבי עקיבא's quarter קב. Each time, רב נחמן answers that the משנה means a smaller sale, so the extra really is beyond the margin. רב אשי then asks two sets of questions that stay as תיקו: what if a field became a garden or the reverse, and whether a pit, water channel, public road or row of palms separates the extra land from the seller's own field. Next, a ברייתא teaches that land bordering the seller's field is returned even in a tiny amount. רבין בר רב נחמן reverses the order of a line in the משנה: once the limit is passed, even the allowed quarters go back. Finally, a new משנה begins about a seller who says both 'measured by the rope' and 'whether less or more'. The ruling for the reverse order continues on the next amud. Math to keep in mind: 1 כור = 30 סאה, and 1 סאה = 6 קבין.
Opening lines
וְאִי אִיכָּא מִילְּתָא יַתִּירָא,
And if there is something extra,
דְּהָוֵי לְתִשְׁעַת קַבִּין – הָדְרִי.
that amounts to nine kav – they return it.
אֵיתִיבֵיהּ רָבָא לְרַב נַחְמָן:
Rava raised an objection to Rav Naḥman:
״שֶׁאִם שִׁיֵּיר בַּשָּׂדֶה בֵּית תִּשְׁעַת קַבִּין״ –
"That if he left over in the field an area of nine kav" –
The steps (15)
- StatementEnd of רב נחמן's rule: a large surplus is returned
- Challengeרבא challenges from the field case: what if he sold two כור?
- ResolutionAnswer: the משנה means a sale of one כור
- Challengeרבא challenges from the garden case: what if he sold two סאה?
- ResolutionAnswer: the garden sale was one סאה
- Challengeרבא challenges from רבי עקיבא's quarter-קב case
- ResolutionAnswer: the sale was half a סאה
- QuestionWhat if a field became a garden, or a garden became a field?
- StatementIf the land is next to the seller's field, even a tiny extra is returned as land
- QuestionWhat counts as separating the extra land from the seller's field?
- StatementThe משנה: not just the quarter, but all the extra
- ChallengeThe wording seems backwards
- Resolutionרבין בר רב נחמן teaches it in reverse
- StatementNew משנה: 'Whether less or more' cancels 'measured by the rope'
- StatementThe reverse order: 'Whether less or more, measured by the rope'