Bava Basra 16b
בבא בתרא ט״ז ע״ב
Bava Batra 16b
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Topic
הקב״ה's precision and איוב's words and friends, איוב's daughters, the meaning of אברהם's blessing 'בכל', עשו's sins and ישמעאל's תשובה
Overview
This amud finishes the גמרא's reading of הקב״ה's answer to איוב: He times the eagle that catches the mountain goat's kid and the snake that helps the hind give birth to the exact moment, so He would never confuse איוב with אויב. רבא settles two פסוקים that seem to disagree about איוב's words: a person is not held responsible for what he says in pain. The גמרא then describes איוב's three friends, who lived far apart yet came in through one gate together, and רבא praises friendship like theirs. רבי יוחנן and ריש לקיש argue whether the birth of daughters brought growth or fighting into the world, and איוב's daughters were doubled in beauty, as their names show. A story about רבי, his son and בר קפרא leads to a dispute among תנאים over what 'בכל' means in אברהם's blessing. Among the answers, עשו did not rebel and ישמעאל did תשובה in אברהם's lifetime. Along the way the גמרא explains why mourners eat lentils, lists עשו's five sins on the day אברהם died, and proves ישמעאל's תשובה from the order of names at אברהם's burial. The amud ends by opening a ברייתא about three people who were given a taste of עולם הבא in this world.
Opening lines
לָלֶדֶת, עוֹלָה לְרֹאשׁ הָהָר
to give birth, she goes up to the top of the mountain
כְּדֵי שֶׁיִּפּוֹל מִמֶּנָּה וְיָמוּת;
so that it (the baby) will fall from her and die;
וַאֲנִי מַזְמִין לָהּ נֶשֶׁר
and I send her an eagle
שֶׁמְּקַבְּלוֹ בִּכְנָפָיו וּמַנִּיחוֹ לְפָנֶיהָ,
that catches it on its wings and places it before her,
The steps (48)
- ResponseThe mountain goat and the eagle: perfect timing
- ResponseThe hind and the snake: another example of perfect timing
- ChallengeTwo פסוקים disagree about איוב's words
- Resolutionרבא: a person in pain is not held responsible for his words
- QuestionWhat does 'ויועדו יחדו' mean?
- Responseרב: they all entered through one gate
- StatementA ברייתא: the friends lived three hundred פרסאות apart
- QuestionHow did the friends know?
- ResponseA crown or trees gave them the sign
- StatementA friend like איוב's friends, or death
- StatementWhat came into the world when daughters were born
- ChallengeWhy weren't איוב's daughters doubled?
- ResolutionDoubled in beauty, not in number
- StatementThe meaning of the first two names
- StatementThird name: like the horn of a קרש
- RejectionIn the West they laughed at that
- Statementרב חסדא: like the finest garden saffron
- Statementרבי comforts his son over the birth of a daughter
- Rejectionבר קפרא calls the comfort empty
- ProofThe ברייתא: the world needs both, but some roles are better
- StatementA dispute among תנאים: was אברהם blessed with no daughter or with a daughter?
- StatementOthers: אברהם's daughter was named בכל
- Statementרבי אלעזר המודעי: אברהם's wisdom in the stars
- Statementרבי שמעון בן יוחי: אברהם's healing stone
- Proofאביי: the popular saying about sickness and daylight
- StatementTwo more explanations: עשו did not rebel, and ישמעאל did תשובה
- QuestionHow do we know עשו did not rebel in אברהם's lifetime?
- ResponseThe day עשו came in tired was the day אברהם died
- QuestionWhy lentils for a mourner?
- ResponseA lentil has no mouth, and neither does a mourner
- StatementA lentil is round, and mourning comes around to everyone
- QuestionWhat is the difference between the two reasons?
- ResponseThe difference: comforting a mourner with eggs
- Statementעשו's five sins on that day
- ProofSource for the sin with a betrothed young woman
- ProofSource for killing a person
- ProofSource for denying God
- ProofSources for denying resurrection and scorning the birthright
- QuestionHow do we know ישמעאל repented?
- Questionרבינא asks about the word 'גויעה'
- ChallengeThe generation of the flood
- ResolutionOnly 'גויעה' together with 'אסיפה'
- ChallengeBut ישמעאל has both words
- Resolutionרבא wakes up: ישמעאל repented
- ChallengeMaybe the order is by wisdom
- RejectionThe burial of יצחק shows the Torah does not list by wisdom
- Conclusionישמעאל let יצחק lead, so he did תשובה
- StatementA ברייתא begins: three who tasted the World to Come in this world