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Bava Basra 21a

בבא בתרא כ״א ע״א

Bava Batra 21a

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Topic

יהושע בן גמלא's school system, why neighbors cannot block teaching children Torah, and רבא's rules for running children's schools

Overview

The גמרא explains the end of the משנה, which says neighbors cannot object to the noise of schoolchildren. That rule comes from the תקנה of יהושע בן גמלא. רב tells the history of Jewish education in stages: first only fathers taught, then teachers were set up in ירושלים, then in every region for teens, and finally יהושע בן גמלא set up teachers in every town for children of six or seven. רב also gives a teacher practical advice about starting age, gentle discipline and keeping weaker students in class. The גמרא then answers three ברייתות that seem to let neighbors block a children's teacher. It explains that they are talking about teachers of non-Jewish children or the town scribe. Next, רבא gives practical rules about where children may be sent to learn, class size, and replacing teachers. רב דימי מנהרדעא disagrees with him twice about how to choose a teacher. The amud ends as the גמרא begins a proof for רב דימי from יואב's war against אדום, and the proof continues on the next amud.

Opening lines

סֵיפָא אֲתָאן לְתִינוֹקוֹת שֶׁל בֵּית רַבָּן,

The latter clause: we have arrived at schoolchildren,

וּמִתַּקָּנַת יְהוֹשֻׁעַ בֶּן גַּמְלָא וְאֵילָךְ –

and from the enactment of Yehoshua ben Gamla onward.

דְּאָמַר רַב יְהוּדָה אָמַר רַב:

As Rav Yehuda said that Rav said:

בְּרַם, זָכוּר אוֹתוֹ הָאִישׁ לַטּוֹב –

Truly, that man is remembered for good,

The steps (21)

  1. ResolutionThe end of the משנה is about schoolchildren after יהושע בן גמלא's enactment
  2. Statementרב praises יהושע בן גמלא for saving the Torah
  3. StatementFirst stage: only fathers taught their own sons
  4. StatementSecond stage: teachers set up in ירושלים
  5. StatementThird stage: a school in every region for teenagers
  6. Statementיהושע בן גמלא sets up teachers in every town for young children
  7. StatementStart children at six, then teach them a lot
  8. StatementDiscipline gently and keep weaker students in class
  9. ChallengeA ברייתא says neighbors can stop a children's teacher
  10. ResolutionThe ברייתא is about teaching non-Jewish children
  11. ChallengeA second ברייתא: one neighbor can stop the other
  12. ResolutionSame answer: non-Jewish children
  13. ChallengeA third ברייתא names a Jewish teacher
  14. ResolutionThe סופר here is the town scribe
  15. StatementWhere a child may be sent to learn
  16. StatementHow many students one teacher may have
  17. StatementDon't replace a teacher with a better one
  18. Statementרב דימי says rivalry makes teachers better
  19. StatementHire the teacher who covers more
  20. Statementרב דימי says hire the precise teacher
  21. ProofA proof begins from יואב's war against אדום