Bava Basra 82a

בבא בתרא פ״ב ע״א

Bava Batra 82a

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Topic

Reading the ביכורים passage, who owns new growths from a tree in someone else's field, and how much land comes with buying three trees

Overview

The amud opens by finishing the reason why someone bringing ביכורים from trees he may not fully own does not read the ביכורים passage: the Torah requires that one person both take and bring the fruit. רב אחא בריה דרב אויא asks why he can't just read the verses anyway. רב אשי answers that it would look like a lie, and רב משרשיא says people might come to exempt the fruit from תרומה and מעשר. Next the גמרא asks what counts as growth 'from the trunk' versus 'from the roots.' רבי יוחנן says growth that sees the sun is from the trunk, and growth hidden underground is from the roots. The tree owner must still cut low growths, so that sediment can't later make them look like extra trees that would give him land. רב נחמן's tradition that 'a palm has no trunk' is explained by רב זביד as the owner giving up on it, and by רב פפא as palms simply not sprouting from the trunk. Finally the גמרא asks how much land a buyer of three trees gets, and רבי יוחנן begins to answer: under them, between them, and some land outside them, which continues on the next amud.

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The steps (16)

1. ConclusionReading requires one person to take and bring
2. ChallengeWhy not read the verses anyway?
3. ResolutionIt looks like a lie
4. ResolutionWorry about skipping תרומה and מעשר
5. QuestionWhat counts as from the trunk or from the roots?
6. ResponseAbove ground is trunk, below ground is roots
7. ChallengeWorry that sediment will make the tree owner claim the land
8. ResolutionThe tree owner must cut the growth
9. Statementרב נחמן's tradition: a palm has no trunk
10. Statementרב זביד explains: the palm owner gives up on trunk growths
11. Challengeרב פפא challenges from the buyer of two trees
12. Resolutionרב פפא: palms just don't sprout from the trunk
13. ChallengeThe משנה is difficult for רב זביד
14. ResolutionThe משנה is about buying for five years
15. QuestionHow much land comes with three trees?
16. ResponseThe land under, between, and outside the trees