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Bava Metzia 39b

בבא מציעא ל״ט ע״ב

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Topic

Managing property of minors and captives, and רב חסדא's ruling against a violent heir

Overview

The גמרא finishes the rule that a relative who manages a קטן's land never gains a חזקה, even after the קטן grows up. It suggests three limits to the rule אין מורידין קרוב לנכסי קטן, and then rejects all of them. Next comes a case: an old woman and one daughter were taken captive, and another daughter died and left a small child. אביי shows that neither the free sister nor the child can simply manage the property. He splits it, giving half to the sister and putting a steward over the other half. רבא says one steward should manage it all. When news comes that the grandmother died, they disagree the same way about the captive daughter's third. Finally, רב חסדא judges a man who claims to be the brother of the powerful מרי בר איסק. He puts the burden of proof on מרי, because frightened witnesses may stay silent but will not lie. Once the brother is confirmed, he shares even in the orchards מרי planted.

Opening lines

וַאֲפִילּוּ הִגְדִּיל.

And even if he grew up.

וְלָא אֲמַרַן אֶלָּא בְּאַחֵי דְאַבָּא,

And we only said this about brothers from the father's side,

אֲבָל בְּאַחֵי דְאִמָּא לֵית לַן בַּהּ.

but with brothers from the mother's side, we have no problem with it.

וַאֲחֵי דְאַבָּא נָמֵי לָא אֲמַרַן אֶלָּא בְּאַרְעָתָא,

And even with brothers from the father's side, we only said it about fields,

The steps (23)

  1. StatementEven after the minor grows up
  2. StatementThree suggested limits to the rule
  3. RejectionNo limits: never put a relative in charge
  4. StatementThe captive grandmother story
  5. Questionאביי asks what to do
  6. RejectionOption one: give it to the surviving sister
  7. RejectionOption two: give it to the child
  8. Responseאביי's solution: half to the sister, a steward for the other half
  9. Statementרבא: one steward for all of it
  10. StatementNews that the grandmother died: אביי divides into thirds
  11. Statementרבא again: one steward for both sixths
  12. StatementA stranger claims to be מרי בר איסק's brother
  13. Proofרב חסדא: brothers really can fail to recognize each other
  14. Statementרב חסדא: bring witnesses that you are his brother
  15. ChallengeThe brother: my witnesses are too scared to testify
  16. Resolutionרב חסדא turns the burden onto מרי
  17. Challengeמרי protests: the claimant should bring proof
  18. Resolutionרב חסדא: This is how I judge violent people
  19. Challengeמרי: The witnesses still won't tell the truth
  20. ResolutionWitnesses won't commit two wrongs
  21. StatementThe witnesses confirm he is the brother
  22. StatementThe brother asks for a share of the new orchards
  23. Proofרב חסדא backs the brother from a משנה