Berachos 27b
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Berakhot 27b
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Topic
Davening behind one's רב; davening early on ערב שבת and מוצאי שבת; whether עַרְבִית is רשות or חובה, and the removal of רבן גמליאל as נשיא.
Overview
The amud opens by asking how רבי ירמיה בר אבא could daven behind רב, since a student may not pray next to or behind his teacher. A ברייתא of רבי אליעזר makes this worse: it says such disrespect drives the שכינה away from ישראל. The גמרא answers that he was a תלמיד חבר, a student who was also a colleague. Next the גמרא discusses davening the שבת prayer early. Someone who does so on purpose must stop working, but a prayer said by mistake does not bind an individual, though a צבור's mistaken prayer stands. שמואל rules that one may daven שבת early and make קידוש, and daven מוצאי שבת early and make הבדלה. Then the גמרא explains the משנה's words 'תפלת הערב אין לה קבע' as meaning that עַרְבִית is רשות, the view of רבי יהושע against רבן גמליאל. A famous story follows: רבן גמליאל publicly embarrasses רבי יהושע over this question, the people remove רבן גמליאל as נשיא, and they choose רבי אלעזר בן עזריה to replace him. The amud ends as he consults his wife, and her answer comes on the next amud.
Opening lines
לֹא כְּנֶגֶד רַבּוֹ,
not next to his teacher,
וְלֹא אֲחוֹרֵי רַבּוֹ.
and not behind his teacher.
וְתַנְיָא, רַבִּי אֱלִיעֶזֶר אוֹמֵר:
And it was taught: Rabbi Eliezer says:
הַמִּתְפַּלֵּל אֲחוֹרֵי רַבּוֹ,
One who prays behind his teacher,
The steps (40)
- ChallengeA student may not pray next to or behind his teacher
- Challengeרבי אליעזר: disrespecting a teacher drives away the שכינה
- Resolutionרבי ירמיה בר אבא was a student and a colleague
- ProofProof: he spoke to רב as an equal
- ChallengeDid רב really have to stop working?
- Resolutionרבא: he only went in to sweat, before the גזירה
- Challengeאביי let רב דימי work after davening
- ResolutionThat davening was a mistake
- ChallengeCan a mistaken prayer be undone? רבי's ruling says no
- ResolutionA community is different
- StatementTwo אמוראים who davened at the edges of שבת
- QuestionAfter davening שבת early, may one say קידוש?
- Responseשמואל: yes, one may say קידוש early, and the הלכה follows him
- QuestionAfter davening מוצאי שבת early, may one say הבדלה?
- Responseשמואל: yes, one may say הבדלה early
- StatementA story: a תנא davened שבת early beside a pillar
- Rejectionעולא's different version of the story
- QuestionWhat does 'no fixed time' mean for the evening prayer?
- ChallengeIt can't just mean 'any time at night'
- ResponseIt means עַרְבִית is optional
- ProofThe source: רבן גמליאל and רבי יהושע argue
- Statementאביי and רבא argue over the הלכה
- StatementA student asks רבי יהושע and hears 'optional'
- StatementThe student asks רבן גמליאל and hears 'required'
- ChallengeThe student points out the clash
- ResponseWait until the scholars gather in the בית המדרש
- StatementThe question is asked in front of all the scholars
- Questionרבן גמליאל asks if anyone disagrees
- Responseרבי יהושע says no one disagrees
- Challengeרבן גמליאל confronts רבי יהושע
- Statementרבן גמליאל orders רבי יהושע to stand
- Responseרבי יהושע admits he said it
- StatementThe crowd stops רבן גמליאל's lecture
- StatementThe people decide to remove רבן גמליאל
- QuestionWho should replace רבן גמליאל?
- Rejectionרבי יהושע is ruled out
- Rejectionרבי עקיבא is ruled out
- Responseרבי אלעזר בן עזריה is chosen
- StatementWhy each of his three qualities matters
- StatementThe offer and consulting his wife