Chagigah 22b

חגיגה כ״ב ע״ב

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Topic

בית שמאי's reasoning about an עם הארץ's vessels and טומאת מת, when an עם הארץ is trusted about immersion, and the משנה's extra stringencies for קודש over תרומה.

Overview

The amud opens by finishing בית שמאי's reasoning: the עם הארץ's food and earthenware vessels are called pure only for his own sake, but vessels a חבר might borrow are not. רבי יהושע objects sharply, and a student of בית שמאי explains their reason. An impure vessel cannot block טומאה, and an עם הארץ would never listen if told his vessel is impure. רבי יהושע then apologizes at the graves of בית שמאי and fasts for the rest of his life. Back in the main discussion, the גמרא explains that a חבר immerses whatever he borrows, but that does not help for טומאת מת, which takes seven days to remove. It then asks when an עם הארץ is trusted about טבילה, with answers from אביי (body versus vessels, with trust only at the end of the process) and רבא (a simple denial versus a technical claim). Next the גמרא explains the משנה's terms 'back and inside' and בית הצביטה. It discusses רב ביבי's ברייתא and רבה בר אבוה's teaching that six of the eleven stringencies apply to חולין שנעשו על טהרת הקודש. Finally it starts explaining why one carrying a מדרס may not carry קודש, through a story told by שמואל that continues on the next amud.

Opening lines

The steps (30)

1. ResponseThe purity is only for the עם הארץ himself
2. Challengeרבי יהושע: the woman is impure but her dough is pure?
3. StatementA student offers to explain בית שמאי
4. QuestionDoes an impure vessel block impurity?
5. QuestionAn עם הארץ's vessel counts as impure
6. ResolutionHe won't listen anyway, so we call it pure for him
7. ConclusionThis is the reason of בית שמאי
8. Statementרבי יהושע apologizes at the graves of בית שמאי
9. Statementרבי יהושע's teeth darkened from fasting
10. ChallengeThe teaching shows we borrow vessels from an עם הארץ
11. ResolutionWe immerse what we borrow
12. ChallengeThen בית הלל should answer בית שמאי the same way
13. ResolutionCorpse impurity needs seven days, and no one lends that long
14. ChallengeAren't עמי הארץ trusted about immersion?
15. Resolutionאביי: body versus vessels
16. Resolutionרבא: simple fact versus technical detail
17. ProofSupport: trusted on 'not made susceptible', not on 'susceptible but not impure'
18. ChallengeIs an עם הארץ really trusted about his own body?
19. Resolutionאביי's new answer: strict at the start, lenient at the end
20. QuestionWhat does 'the back and the inside' mean?
21. ResponseA vessel's back can become impure without its inside
22. QuestionWhat is בית הצביטה?
23. Responseשמואל: the spot where you grip the vessel
24. Responseרבי יוחנן: the spot where neat people dip
25. Statementרב ביבי's teaching: no back/inside split for any vessel
26. Challengeרב נחמן: but the משנה applies the split to תרומה
27. ResolutionPerhaps you mean ordinary food kept at the purity level of holy food
28. Proofרבה בר אבוה: six stringencies apply to such ordinary food
29. QuestionWhy may one carrying a מדרס not carry holy food?
30. ResponseBecause of a story that happened, told by שמואל