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Chullin 50b

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Topic

Identifying the inner כרס, measuring tears and holes in the outer כרס, and a needle in the בית הכוסות

Overview

The amud opens by finishing the true version of רב נחמן's ruling. The spot where the rectum is attached can be completely removed and the animal stays כשר, as long as a finger's width is left to grip. The גמרא then asks which part of the stomach is the משנה's כרס הפנימי. Many opinions are given: the סניא דיבי, the opening of the rumen, a 'narrow place', the area without 'wool', a טפח of the ושט, the whole כרס, and the מפרעתה that butchers expose. נהרדעא followed רבה בר רב הונא's מפרעתה. אמימר explains to רב אשי that most of the other opinions fit inside it, and only רבי אבינא and the scholars of ארץ ישראל truly disagree. Next, רבי אלעזר explains that the משנה's 'large' and 'small' do not mean kinds of animals. A tear in the outer כרס makes the animal a טריפה once it reaches either a טפח or most of the כרס, whichever comes first. A round hole only counts as a טריפה if it is bigger than a סלע, and רב יוסף measures this with date pits. Finally, a ברייתא about a needle in the wall of the בית הכוסות begins, and it continues on the next amud.

Opening lines

בּוּקֵי סְרִיקִי?

Empty bottles?

הָכִי אָמַר רַב נַחְמָן:

This is what Rav Nachman said:

מְקוֹם הַדֶּבֶק,

The place of attachment,

אֲפִילּוּ נִיטַּל כּוּלּוֹ – כָּשֵׁר,

even if all of it was removed, it is kosher,

The steps (28)

  1. StatementThe true version of רב נחמן's ruling on the attachment place
  2. QuestionHow much must remain to grip
  3. StatementTestimony that the internal rumen is the סניא דיבי
  4. Statementרבי ישמעאל: the opening of the rumen
  5. Statementרבי יוחנן: a narrow place, but unknown which
  6. StatementThe whole rumen has fallen into a pit
  7. Statementרב אסי: from the narrowing downward
  8. Statementשמואל: the place without 'wool'
  9. Statementרב: a handbreadth of the gullet next to the rumen
  10. StatementThe scholars of ארץ ישראל: the whole rumen counts as the inner rumen
  11. Statementרבה בר רב הונא: the inner rumen is the 'מפרעתה'
  12. QuestionWhat does 'מפרעתה' mean?
  13. Responseרב אויא: it is the place the butchers expose
  14. ConclusionIn נהרדעא they followed רבה בר רב הונא
  15. Questionרב אשי asks: what about all the other opinions?
  16. Responseאמימר: they all fall inside רבה בר רב הונא's area
  17. ChallengeBut what about רבי יוחנן's unknown narrow place?
  18. Resolutionאמימר: רב אחא בר עוא already explained where it is
  19. ChallengeAnd what about רבי אבינא and the scholars of ארץ ישראל?
  20. Resolutionאמימר admits: these two really do disagree
  21. Statement'Large' and 'small' do not mean the size of the animal
  22. ChallengeWhy say that a mostly torn small כרס is a טרפה?
  23. ResolutionThe case where the tear almost reaches a טפח
  24. StatementA round hole the size of a סלע
  25. Statementגניבא's own exact version: only bigger than a סלע
  26. QuestionHow much is 'bigger than a סלע'?
  27. Responseרב יוסף's test with three date pits
  28. StatementA needle in the wall of the בית הכוסות