Chullin 78b

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Topic

אותו ואת בנו: including כלאים through או, and whether the איסור applies to males

Overview

The גמרא asks whether the איסור of אותו ואת בנו (slaughtering an animal and its offspring on the same day) applies to כלאים, a cross between a sheep and a goat. רבא teaches that the word שה always leaves out כלאים. The גמרא answers that the extra word או in the פסוק brings it back in. The גמרא defends this twice: the teaching that each animal counts on its own comes from בנו, and the ברייתא's teaching comes from אותו. For חנניה, who uses אותו for something else, no פסוק is needed, because he holds like רבי יונתן. A ברייתא about cursing one's father and mother shows that for רבי יונתן, 'and' already means each one alone. The גמרא then explains the מחלוקת: the רבנן say אותו ואת בנו applies only to females, while חנניה says it applies to males too. The רבנן learn their view from a comparison to שילוח הקן, backed up by the word אותו (one parent, not two). The word בנו shows that this one parent is the mother, whom the young follows.

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The steps (19)

1. ChallengeThe paradigm: the word שה excludes mixed breeds
2. ResolutionThe word 'or' brings the mixed breed back in
3. Challenge'Or' is needed to make each animal count separately
4. ResolutionSeparating is learned from 'its offspring'
5. ChallengeA ברייתא seems to use 'or' for another teaching
6. ResolutionThe ברייתא learns it from 'it'
7. ChallengeWhat about חנניה, who uses 'it' for something else?
8. Resolutionחנניה needs no פסוק because he follows רבי יונתן
9. ProofThe ברייתא about cursing father and mother: רבי יאשיה's view
10. Proofרבי יונתן: 'and' already means each one alone
11. QuestionWhat exactly are the views of חנניה and the רבנן?
12. ResponseDoes אותו ואת בנו apply to males too?
13. QuestionWhat is the reason of the רבנן?
14. ResponseComparing אותו ואת בנו to the mother bird
15. RejectionThe comparison to the mother bird is challenged
16. ResolutionThe word 'אותו' saves the comparison
17. ProofA backup proof from 'בנו'
18. QuestionWhat objection is 'אם נפשך לומר' answering?
19. ResponseThe objection: 'אותו' sounds masculine