Chullin 90a

חולין צ׳ ע״א

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Topic

The גיד הנשה איסור on the offspring of קדשים, and whether the sinews of an עולה go up on the מזבח

Overview

The משנה teaches that the גיד הנשה איסור applies even to the offspring of consecrated animals (מוקדשין). The גמרא first concludes that in a fetus, the איסור of מוקדשין comes first. It answers that גיד הנשה can still take hold because it is broader: it applies even to בני נח. That reasoning belongs to רבי יהודה, and our תנא agrees with him on this point while disagreeing about the two thighs. But the גמרא rejects this answer, since a rule shown for a non-kosher animal does not prove anything about קדשים, which carry כרת. Instead it explains that the משנה is talking about a בכור, which becomes holy only at birth, or that the babies of any קדשים become holy only at birth. Next, רבי חייא בר יוסף and רבי יוחנן argue whether the גיד איסור applies to קדשים that are not eaten, like an עולה. רב פפא settles their argument in two versions, while רב נחמן בר יצחק says they truly argue about bringing the גיד up on the מזבח. The גמרא then brings ברייתות about which bones and sinews of an עולה go up on the מזבח, and it begins explaining why רבנן and רבי read the פסוקים differently.

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The steps (21)

1. ChallengeSo the sanctity prohibition comes first
2. ResolutionThe גיד הנשה איסור still applies because it is broader
3. ChallengeThat reasoning belongs to רבי יהודה, but our משנה disagrees with him
4. ResolutionOur תנא agrees with רבי יהודה on one point and disagrees on another
5. ChallengeA kosher-status rule does not prove a rule for holy animals
6. ResolutionThe משנה is talking about a firstborn
7. ResolutionBabies of holy animals become holy only at birth
8. StatementOnly for holy animals that are eaten
9. StatementFor all holy animals, eaten or not
10. Resolutionרב פפא: Both are right, but about different things (first version)
11. Resolutionרב פפא's reconciliation (second version): Removing the גיד vs. burning it once it is out
12. Statementרב נחמן בר יצחק: They really do argue about bringing it up on the מזבח
13. ProofThe ברייתא: What goes up on the מזבח with an עולה
14. ProofThe ברייתא finishes: attached parts go up, detached parts come down
15. QuestionWho holds that detached parts come down?
16. ResponseIt is רבי; first opinion of the proof ברייתא
17. ChallengeWhat about the 'flesh and blood' פסוק?
18. ResolutionThe פסוק is about pieces that jump off the fire
19. Statementרבי: attached parts go up, detached parts come down
20. StatementWhy רבנן say the word 'הכל' is about detached parts
21. Statementרבי's reasoning begins: attached parts that are permitted