Chullin 97b

חולין צ״ז ע״ב

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Topic

Cancelling forbidden food in sixty: tasting, salted meat with the גיד הנשה, how to measure, and the cases of the גיד, כחל and egg

Overview

This amud finishes the rules for forbidden food that gets mixed into permitted food. When the two foods taste different, we rely on tasting: a Jew tastes if the mixture is permitted to him, and a קפילא (non-Jewish cook) tastes if it might be forbidden. When tasting is impossible, we need sixty times as much permitted food. Next comes a real case: thighs were salted with the גיד הנשה still inside. רבינא forbade them, while רב אחא בר רב אשי and רב אשי permitted them. רבינא's view is left with a קשיא, because שמואל's rule מליח כרותח means salted food is like roasted food, and roasted meat only needs peeling. The גמרא then teaches what counts toward the sixty (רבי חנינא) and that every forbidden food is measured as if it were as strong as onion or leek (רבי יוחנן). רב נחמן rules on the גיד, the כחל and a non-kosher egg, and the גמרא explains that the כחל itself stays forbidden like a piece of נבלה. Finally, רב אידי בר אבין asks whether an egg gives off taste at all, and אביי's answer continues on the next amud.

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The steps (22)

1. StatementThe Sages' measure of sixty and when we rely on tasting
2. ConclusionWhen tasting is impossible, we use sixty
3. StatementThighs salted with the sciatic nerve inside: a dispute
4. Responseמר בר רב אשי reports that his father permitted it
5. QuestionAsking רבינא for his reason: is salted like boiling hot?
6. ChallengeRoasted thigh with the nerve only needs peeling
7. ResolutionMaybe 'hot' means hot like cooked food
8. RejectionThe defense fails, and the question stands
9. StatementWhat we count when measuring sixty
10. StatementTwo views on what 'the pot' means
11. StatementMeasure every forbidden food as if it were onion or leek
12. ChallengeWhy not measure as if it were pepper?
13. ResolutionNothing forbidden is stronger than onion and leek
14. StatementThree cases: what counts toward the sixty
15. StatementThe udder itself stays forbidden
16. QuestionMeasure against the whole udder or just its milk?
17. ResponseWe measure against the whole udder
18. ChallengeThen why does the udder forbid a second pot?
19. ResolutionThe udder is treated like a piece of נבלה
20. StatementQuoting רב נחמן's rule about the egg
21. ChallengeDoes an egg even give off taste?
22. Resolutionאביי begins to explain the case