Gittin 20b
גיטין כ׳ ע״ב
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Topic
Who must own the material of a גט: the ציץ's writing, a גט on gold as כתובה payment, keeping the paper, and גיטין on a slave or a slate
Overview
The amud opens by finishing the discussion of the ציץ: its letters stood out like the design on a gold coin but were worked from the outside, so they count as 'writing'. רבא asks רב נחמן about a גט written on a gold plate that the husband also gives as the כתובה payment, and רב נחמן says both take effect. A ברייתא seems to say only the blank leftover can pay the כתובה, but רב נחמן explains that blank space is part of the גט's margin unless the husband says otherwise. A ברייתא then teaches that if the husband keeps the paper she is not divorced, but a condition to return it is fine. רב פפא's question about keeping only the spaces between lines or words stays unresolved (תיקו). רמי בר חמא asks about a גט on the hand of the husband's slave who is found with the wife. After a debate with רבא about forgery, resolved by saying the writing is a tattoo, ריש לקיש's rule about wandering animals shows that this proves nothing. רמי בר חמא then asks about the wife's slate found with the husband. אביי tries to prove from the old man who wrote his own loan documents that she transferred it to him, and רבא begins to reject the proof, which continues on the next amud.
Opening lines
הָא בָּעֵינָא ״מִכְתַּב״, וְלֵיכָּא!
But we need 'a writing', and there is none!
כְּדִינְרֵי זָהָב, וְלֹא כְּדִינְרֵי זָהָב.
Like gold dinars, and not like gold dinars.
כְּדִינְרֵי זָהָב – דְּבוֹלֵט;
Like gold dinars, in that it stands out;
וְלֹא כְּדִינְרֵי זָהָב –
and not like gold dinars,
The steps (28)
- ChallengePushed-out letters are not real writing
- ResolutionLike gold coins in one way, unlike them in another
- QuestionA גט on a gold plate that also pays the כתובה
- ResponseBoth the גט and the כתובה take effect
- ChallengeA ברייתא where only the leftover pays the כתובה
- ChallengeWithout a leftover, the כתובה is not paid
- ResolutionThe leftover is not required; the ברייתא teaches that he must say it
- QuestionWhy must he say it?
- ResponseBlank space is the margin of the scroll
- StatementKeeping the paper versus a condition to return it
- QuestionWhat about keeping the space between lines or words?
- ConclusionThe question stays unresolved
- ChallengeWhy not answer רב פפא from 'one ספר'?
- ResolutionThe question is about intertwined letters
- Questionרמי בר חמא asks about a גט on a slave's hand
- QuestionThe two sides of the question
- Challengeרבא: writing on skin can be forged
- ChallengeThe משנה allows a גט on a slave's hand
- ChallengeThe משנה fits רבא, but רמי בר חמא's question is still in trouble
- Resolutionרמי בר חמא meant a tattooed גט
- ResolutionThe tattoo answer also explains the משנה for רבא
- QuestionSo what is the answer to רמי בר חמא's question?
- Responseריש לקיש: wandering animals give no presumption of ownership
- QuestionA new question: the wife's slate shows up in the husband's possession
- Proofאביי cites the case of the old man who lent to his village
- ChallengeWhy were the old man's documents valid?
- ProofHe must have given the paper to the borrowers first
- Rejectionרבא begins to reject the proof