Kesubos 61a
כתובות ס״א ע״א
Ketubot 61a
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Topic
Pregnancy foods, a wife's duty to nurse, the maidservant exemptions, the three personal tasks and נדה, and sharing food with the waiter
Overview
This amud opens by finishing a list of foods a pregnant woman eats and the good traits they give her children, with a story about the fragrant daughter of שבור מלכא. Then רב הונא reports a question about nursing: when husband and wife disagree, whose family custom decides? The answer is the rule that a wife 'goes up with her husband but does not go down with him,' backed by two פסוקים. Next the גמרא returns to the משנה about maidservants a wife brings into the marriage. It explains step by step why one, two, or three maidservants free her from only some housework, and why four free her from all of it. Even then, רב הונא says she still pours his cup, makes his bed, and washes his face, hands, and feet. A wife who is a נדה skips exactly these three personal tasks, with some limits and changes. The amud ends with rules and stories about sharing food with the waiter at a meal, so that he does not suffer from craving. A story at the king's gate begins and continues on the next amud.
Opening lines
בָּרְיֵי.
...healthy children.
דְּאָכְלָה בֵּיעֵי — הָווּ לַהּ בְּנֵי עֵינָנֵי.
One who eats eggs will have large-eyed children.
דְּאָכְלָה כְּווֹרֵי — הָווּ לַהּ בְּנֵי חִינָּנֵי.
One who eats fish will have graceful children.
דְּאָכְלָה כַּרְפְּסָא — הָווּ לַהּ בְּנֵי זִיוְתָנֵי.
One who eats celery will have beautiful children.
The steps (36)
- StatementFoods during pregnancy and the children's traits
- ProofThe fragrant daughter of King Shapur
- StatementShe wants to nurse and he does not
- QuestionHe wants her to nurse and she refuses
- ResponseIf it is not her family's custom, we follow her
- QuestionHer family nurses, his does not: whom do we follow?
- ResponseShe goes up with him but not down with him
- Proofרב הונא's source: 'בעולת בעל'
- Proofרבי אלעזר's source: 'mother of all living'
- StatementThe משנה about one maidservant: she still does the other tasks
- ChallengeShouldn't the maidservant count as her replacement?
- ResolutionThe maidservant works to cover herself, so who covers the wife?
- StatementTwo maidservants: no cooking or nursing, but other tasks remain
- ChallengeWhy can't she say the two maidservants cover everything?
- ResolutionSomeone still has to serve the guests
- StatementThree maidservants: no bed-making, but other tasks remain
- ChallengeWhy doesn't the third maidservant handle the guests?
- ResolutionA bigger household brings more guests
- ChallengeThen even with four she should have to work
- ResolutionFour maidservants help each other
- StatementIt is enough that she could afford to bring maidservants
- ProofA ברייתא: bringing them or saving up for them is the same
- StatementEven a wife who sits in a chair still does three personal tasks
- StatementA נדה may do every task for her husband except the three personal ones
- StatementMaking the bed is only a problem when he is there
- StatementHow the wives of the אמוראים changed the way they gave the cup
- StatementA waiter may be made to wait for everything except meat and wine
- StatementOnly fatty meat and aged wine
- StatementFatty meat all year, aged wine only in summer
- Statementרב ענן's story: the mushroom dish
- Statementרב אשי's story: turnip in vinegar
- Statementרב פפא: even a fragrant date
- ConclusionThe general rule: smell or sharp taste
- StatementTwo brothers: one gave from every dish
- StatementTwo pious men: feeding the waiter first or later
- StatementThree Sages at the king's gate: the story begins