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Kesubos 67a

כתובות ס״ז ע״א

Ketubot 67a

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Topic

The end of the נקדימון story, valuing gold and local goods for the כתובה, and the minimum dowry for a bride or an orphan girl

Overview

The amud opens by finishing the story of נקדימון בן גוריון. The גמרא explains why his family lost its wealth even though he gave צדקה, and a ברייתא describes his daughter's terrible poverty. The גמרא then returns to the כתובה. רבי יוחנן rules that gold in a dowry is written at its exact value. Two ברייתות are brought against him, and the גמרא works through them, ending by reading 'gold is like utensils' as talking about broken gold or gold granules. Next comes a list of goods that count like money in particular places, and רבא explains why he changed his mind about the money pouches of מחוזא. A new משנה sets a minimum dowry of fifty זוז for a daughter or an orphan girl, and אביי proves these are small local coins. Finally a ברייתא teaches that an orphan girl is supported before an orphan boy, and a second case about the two orphans begins and continues on the next amud.

Opening lines

מַצִּיעִין תַּחְתָּיו,

they would spread out beneath him,

וּבָאִין עֲנִיִּים

and poor people would come

וּמְקַפְּלִין אוֹתָן מֵאַחֲרָיו!

and fold them up behind him!

אִיבָּעֵית אֵימָא:

If you wish, say:

The steps (32)

  1. ChallengeBut he gave so much charity!
  2. ResolutionFirst answer: he did it for his own honor
  3. ResolutionSecond answer: he gave less than he should have
  4. StatementThe daughter gathering barley in עכו
  5. StatementThe פסוק he read about her
  6. Statementרבי יוחנן: gold is valued at its true worth
  7. ChallengeA ברייתא says gold is like utensils
  8. ResolutionNo, like gold utensils, which don't lose value
  9. ChallengeThen it should have said 'like its own utensils'
  10. ChallengeAnother ברייתא: gold, gold coins, and רבן שמעון בן גמליאל
  11. QuestionWhich part is רבן שמעון בן גמליאל talking about?
  12. RejectionIt can't be about the gold coins
  13. ChallengeIf he meant plain gold, then gold equals silver utensils
  14. ResolutionHe was talking about coins that are hard to spend
  15. ResolutionThe whole ברייתא is רבן שמעון בן גמליאל's, with words missing
  16. ChallengeThe wording problem still stands
  17. ResolutionThe ברייתא is about broken pieces of gold
  18. Resolutionרב אשי: it is about gold granules
  19. StatementSpices in Antioch count as money
  20. StatementCamels in Arabia can pay a כתובה
  21. StatementRobes in Bei Mikhsei can pay a כתובה
  22. StatementSacks and ropes in certain towns can pay a כתובה
  23. Statementרבא's first view about the money pouches of מחוזא
  24. Rejectionרבא changes his mind: they really rely on land
  25. Statementמשנה: A father must give at least fifty זוז
  26. Statementמשנה: The husband must clothe a 'bare' bride before the wedding
  27. Statementמשנה: An orphan bride gets at least fifty זוז, and more if the fund allows
  28. Statementאביי: The fifty זוז are small local coins
  29. ProofProof from the charity fund clause
  30. ConclusionConclusion: the fifty זוז are local coins
  31. StatementThe orphan girl is supported before the orphan boy
  32. StatementOpening words of a second ruling about the two orphans