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Kesubos 89a

כתובות פ״ט ע״א

Ketubot 89a

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Topic

Collecting a כתובה with only a גט or only a כתובה document, whether a שובר is written, and רב's rule splitting the עיקר and the תוספת

Overview

The amud opens at the end of a משנה case: a woman who shows her גט but not her כתובה document still collects her כתובה. In the reverse case, she has a כתובה but no גט, and she cannot collect. A creditor with no פרוזבול after שביעית is treated the same way. רבן שמעון בן גמליאל rules that in the time of persecution both collect without the missing document. The גמרא learns from the first case that a שובר (receipt) is written when a debt is paid. רב rejects this proof by setting the משנה in a place where no כתובה is written. שמואל, as explained by רב ענן, makes it a question of who must bring proof. רב then changes his mind: a גט collects the עיקר and a כתובה collects the תוספת. The גמרא challenges רב, asking why the woman with a כתובה does not at least collect the תוספת. רב יוסף begins to answer with a case where there are no witnesses to the divorce, and his answer continues on the next amud.

Opening lines

גּוֹבָה כְּתוּבָּתָהּ.

She collects her marriage contract payment.

כְּתוּבָּה וְאֵין עִמָּהּ גֵּט,

A marriage contract, and there is no divorce document with it,

הִיא אוֹמֶרֶת: אָבַד גִּיטִּי.

she says: My divorce document was lost.

וְהוּא אוֹמֵר: אָבַד שׁוֹבָרִי.

And he says: My receipt was lost.

The steps (12)

  1. StatementWith a divorce document alone, she collects
  2. StatementMarriage contract without a divorce document, and a loan without a prosbol
  3. StatementIn times of danger, no divorce document or prosbol is needed
  4. ProofLearning from the first case that a receipt is written
  5. Rejectionרב: The משנה is about a place with no written כתובה
  6. Statementשמואל: Even where they write a כתובה
  7. QuestionDoes שמואל hold that courts write a receipt?
  8. Responseרב ענן explains שמואל: Whoever claims the unusual must prove it
  9. Statementרב changes his mind: With a גט she collects the base amount, with a כתובה only the extra
  10. ChallengeQuoting the משנה: a כתובה without a גט is not paid
  11. ChallengeThe משנה fits שמואל but seems to clash with רב
  12. Resolutionרב יוסף: The case has no witnesses to the divorce