Menachos 101b

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Menachot 101b

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Topic

Can food that is אסור בהנאה (forbidden to benefit from) become impure as food (טומאת אוכלין)? The argument between the תנא קמא and רבי שמעון, and how it applies to a מנחה that became פיגול.

Overview

A ברייתא lists foods that are forbidden even for benefit and asks whether they can still get טומאת אוכלין, the impurity that food receives. The תנא קמא says yes. רבי שמעון says no, except for בשר בחלב, which was once fit to eat (שעת הכושר). רבי יוחנן explains רבי שמעון's source: only food you may give to others counts as food. רבי אושעיא applies this to a מנחה that became פיגול, saying it gets no טומאת אוכלין. The גמרא challenges him from a ברייתא where רבי שמעון rules that a פיגול מנחה does get it. The answer is that it depends on whether the flour was ever fit, for example wheat made holy while still growing never was. The גמרא then asks whether the owner's ability to redeem the flour, or a מצוה to sprinkle blood, counts as if it already happened. It works this out through the cases of the פרה אדומה and meat left overnight before sprinkling. The amud ends by opening a new challenge from animal offerings made פיגול, which continues on the next amud.

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The steps (25)

1. StatementForbidden foods still get food impurity
2. Statementרבי שמעון disagrees
3. Statementרבי שמעון agrees about meat and milk
4. StatementThe verse behind רבי שמעון's view
5. ConclusionApplying the rule to a פיגול מנחה
6. ChallengeWhy not use the 'give to others' reason for meat in milk?
7. ProofProof that רבי שמעון allows benefit from meat in milk
8. ResolutionThe ברייתא gives two reasons
9. ChallengeChallenge from רבי שמעון's ruling on נותר
10. StatementThe ברייתא explains which נותר gets food impurity
11. ChallengeThe ברייתא says a פיגול מנחה does get food impurity
12. ResolutionIt depends on whether the מנחה was ever fit
13. QuestionHow could a מנחה never have been fit?
14. ResponseThe wheat was made holy while still growing
15. ChallengeWhy not redeem the flour and give it a time of being fit?
16. ResolutionHe has not actually redeemed it
17. ChallengeBut רבי שמעון says what can be redeemed counts as redeemed
18. ProofThe source: רבי שמעון on the red heifer
19. ResolutionA פרה stands to be redeemed, but a מנחה does not
20. ChallengeChallenge from meat left overnight before sprinkling
21. ResolutionThere was no time left in the day to sprinkle
22. QuestionWhat if there was time left in the day?
23. ChallengeWhy not split the case itself?
24. ResolutionThat is exactly what he meant
25. ChallengeOpening a new challenge from פיגול