Menachos 102b

מנחות ק״ב ע״ב

Menachot 102b

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Topic

An אשם תלוי that turns out to be unneeded, חיבת הקודש and food impurity, and a מנחה brought in a different pan or number of vessels than vowed

Overview

The amud opens by finishing a משנה about an אשם תלוי, the offering brought when a person is unsure whether he sinned, for an owner who then learns he did not sin. The ruling depends on the stage he reached: before slaughter, after slaughter, or after the blood was sprinkled. רבי יוסי holds that even blood still in the cup is sprinkled and the meat is eaten. רבא explains this through רבי שמעון's rule that blood ready to be sprinkled counts as already sprinkled. Scholars in ארץ ישראל give a different reason: a כלי שרת sanctifies even disqualified items. רב אשי then asks why נותר and the פרה can become impure as food if they are as good as burned. רב כהנא answers that חיבת הקודש makes them able to become impure, and the גמרא adds that on the rabbinic level this impurity is even counted in levels. A new משנה then deals with someone who promised a מנחה in one kind of pan, or in one vessel versus two, and brought it differently. The גמרא explains why both kinds of change had to be taught, brings רבי שמעון's dissent, and has אביי explain that the vessel sanctifies the flour enough to become פסולה. Finally, אביי begins a new statement limiting the משנה, which continues on the next amud.

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The steps (24)

1. StatementBefore slaughter: the animal grazes and is sold
2. Statementרבי אליעזר: offer it anyway
3. StatementAfter slaughter: spill the blood and burn the meat
4. StatementAfter sprinkling the meat is eaten; רבי יוסי says even blood in the cup
5. Challengeרבא: רבי יוסי follows רבי שמעון's rule that ready blood counts as sprinkled
6. RejectionA different reason for רבי יוסי: service vessels sanctify
7. ChallengeIf it is about to be burned, isn't it just dust?
8. ResolutionRegard for holiness makes them able to become impure
9. ChallengeCan holiness also make it pass impurity further?
10. ChallengeThat would solve ריש לקיש's open question
11. ResolutionTorah level versus rabbinic level
12. StatementVowed one kind of pan, brought the other
13. StatementSpecific flour set aside for one pan, made in the other
14. StatementVowed one vessel, brought two, or the reverse
15. StatementPointing at specific flour for one vessel or two, then switching
16. StatementVowed one vessel, brought two, and was reminded
17. StatementVowed two vessels, brought one, and was reminded
18. StatementThe גמרא opens: both kinds of change needed to be taught
19. StatementWhy the pan-type case alone would not be enough
20. ConclusionWhy the vessel-count case alone would not be enough, so both are needed
21. StatementA ברייתא: רבי שמעון holds the vow is fulfilled
22. ChallengeChallenge: if the vessel did not sanctify it, why call it disqualified?
23. Resolutionאביי: sanctified enough to be disqualified, not to be offered
24. Statementאביי opens a statement limiting the משנה