Moed Katan 19b

מועד קטן י״ט ע״ב

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Topic

Mourning and the רגל: how the festival cancels שבעה and שלשים, אבא שאול's מקצת היום ככולו, the source for שלשים, and whether festival days count toward שלשים

Overview

The amud opens with a ברייתא: a רגל cancels שבעה if the mourner kept three days before it, and cancels שלשים if he kept eight. The תנא קמא says he must shave on ערב הרגל or wait until after שלשים. אבא שאול lets him shave after the festival, because he holds מקצת היום ככולו, so the seventh day counts twice. רב's rule that a mourner may bathe once the comforters leave follows אבא שאול. אביי, רבא and the נהרדעי disagree on how far we follow אבא שאול on the seventh and thirtieth days. The נהרדעי rely on שמואל's rule that in mourning we follow the lenient view. The גמרא learns the thirty days from a נזיר through the word פרע, and learns the נזיר's thirty days from the גימטריא of יהיה. Everyone agrees that if the third day falls on ערב הרגל, the mourner may not bathe until evening. Finally, אביי asks רבא whether festival days count toward שלשים, רבא says they do not, and אביי begins challenging him from a ברייתא that continues on the next amud.

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The steps (21)

1. ChallengeA ברייתא on how a festival cancels mourning periods
2. Statementאבא שאול permits shaving after the festival
3. ChallengeWhy does אבא שאול say seven instead of eight?
4. ResolutionPart of a day counts as a whole day
5. ConclusionThe halacha follows אבא שאול
6. StatementThe חכמים agree when the eighth day is a שבת on ערב הרגל
7. QuestionWhose view does רב's bathing rule follow?
8. ResponseIt follows אבא שאול
9. Statementאביי: the הלכה follows אבא שאול on day seven
10. Statementרבא: follow אבא שאול only on day thirty
11. Statementנהרדעי: follow אבא שאול on both days
12. QuestionWhere do the thirty days come from?
13. ResponseLearned from נזיר through the word פרע
14. QuestionWhere do we know a נזיר's thirty days from?
15. ResponseAn unspecified נזירות lasts thirty days, from the גימטריא of יהיה
16. StatementWhen the third day falls on ערב הרגל, the mourner may not bathe until evening
17. Statementרב פפי and רב פפא rule like רב הונא
18. StatementAnother version: all three said the rule together
19. Questionאביי asks whether a רגל counts toward the thirty days
20. Responseרבא answers: the Festival does not count toward the thirty
21. Challengeאביי objects from a ברייתא about burial two days before a Festival