Moed Katan 22a

מועד קטן כ״ב ע״א

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Topic

How late-arriving mourners count the seven days, the final הלכה on רבי שמעון's mourning rule (with a related ruling on טריפות), and rules that set parents apart from other relatives.

Overview

The גמרא asks what happens when the head of the household goes to the cemetery and another relative arrives at the house of mourning while he is away. It answers with a three-day rule: if he came back within three days, the newcomer counts with the family, and if not, the newcomer counts on his own. רב gave the same instruction to the family of הצלבוני. רבא adds that mourners who do not follow the coffin to burial start counting when they turn back at the city gate. רבי שמעון holds that a mourner who arrives from nearby even on the seventh day finishes with the family, and רבי limits this to a case where comforters are still in the house. Whether comforters who started to get up still count stays a תיקו. A report that רבי יוחנן ruled like רבן שמעון בן גמליאל in טריפות and like רבי שמעון in mourning is checked at its source. The טריפות half turns out to be backwards, and the mourning half is a dispute. The גמרא concludes that the הלכה is not like רבן שמעון בן גמליאל in טריפות, but is like רבי שמעון in mourning, because we follow the lenient view in אבל. Finally, a ברייתא teaches that hurrying a burial is praised for most relatives but improper for a parent, except on ערב שבת or ערב יום טוב, and it begins a rule about cutting back on business that continues on the next amud.

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The steps (21)

1. QuestionWhat if the head of the household went to the cemetery?
2. Responseרבי יוחנן: He still counts with them
3. ChallengeChallenge: a ברייתא says he counts on his own
4. ResolutionIt depends on whether he came back within three days
5. ProofSupport from רב's instruction to the family of הצלבוני
6. Statementרבא: Start counting when you turn back at the city gate
7. Statementרבי שמעון: Even on the seventh day he counts with them
8. StatementCondition: Only if comforters are still there
9. QuestionComforters who started to get up but did not leave
10. Statementרבי יוחנן: The הלכה follows רבן שמעון בן גמליאל in טריפות and רבי שמעון in mourning
11. ResponseWhich rulings רבי יוחנן meant
12. QuestionWhat is this mucus?
13. Responseרב כהנא defines the mucus
14. StatementA scholar travels to check the rulings at their source
15. QuestionDid you rule like רבן שמעון בן גמליאל in טריפות?
16. ResponseNo, I said the opposite
17. QuestionWhat about רבי שמעון in mourning?
18. ResponseIt is a dispute among the אמוראים
19. ConclusionFinal ruling on both issues
20. StatementHurrying the burial: praised for most relatives, disgraceful for parents
21. StatementCutting back on business is optional for most relatives