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Nazir 65b

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Topic

Leniencies about found corpses, doubts in נגעים, and checking a זב before and after he is confirmed

Overview

The amud opens by finishing the discussion of corpses found buried in a field. רבא rules on someone who found and moved two corpses one at a time and then found a third. In a second version, רבא lets him move the third one too. ריש לקיש explains that חכמים looked for any reason to keep ארץ ישראל pure, and the same idea explains why a twenty-אמה search that finds nothing ends the worry. A new משנה then teaches that a doubt about נגעים is pure at the start, but impure once the person has been declared impure. The גמרא shows that רב's פסוק, which mentions purity first, really explains רבי יהושע's view in the case of the בהרת and the white hair. Next, a משנה teaches that before a man is confirmed as a זב, we check seven outside causes of his discharge, and after that we stop checking. It adds the case of a beaten victim who got better and then died, where רבי נחמיה uses the idea of רגלים לדבר. רבי נתן learns the זב rule from ״והזב את זובו״, and רבי אליעזר's view is explained by his learning from the word את.

Opening lines

אָמַר רָבָא:

Rava said:

בָּדַק וּפִנָּה, בָּדַק וּפִנָּה,

If he checked and moved it, then checked and moved it,

בְּדַק וְאַשְׁכַּח —

then checked and found a third —

לָא הַאי מְפַנֵּי לֵיהּ גַּבֵּי הָנָךְ תְּרֵי,

he does not move this one over to those two,

The steps (25)

  1. StatementFound two corpses one at a time, then a third
  2. StatementSecond version: he may move the third one too
  3. ChallengeWhy not treat them as a graveyard?
  4. Resolutionחכמים looked for a reason to keep ארץ ישראל pure
  5. QuestionSearched twenty אמות and found nothing
  6. ResponseIt is a graveyard, and that is all
  7. QuestionWhat is the reason?
  8. ResponseSame principle: keep ארץ ישראל pure
  9. StatementNew משנה: doubts about נגעים
  10. QuestionWhere does the rule about doubtful נגעים come from?
  11. ResponseThe פסוק mentions purity first
  12. ChallengeThen every doubt should be pure
  13. Resolutionרב's teaching was really said about a different dispute
  14. QuestionWhat does 'כיהה' mean?
  15. ResponseIt is unclear, and he is pure
  16. ChallengeMaybe it means unclear and impure
  17. ResolutionThe פסוק puts purity first, so the reading is pure
  18. StatementSeven ways to check a זב
  19. StatementOnce he is a confirmed זב, we stop checking
  20. StatementThe beaten victim who improved and then died
  21. QuestionWhat is the source for the זב rule?
  22. Responseרבי נתן learns it from ״והזב את זובו״
  23. Challengeרבי אליעזר still checks at the third sighting
  24. ResolutionThey disagree about whether the word את teaches something
  25. StatementQuoting the משנה: his forced and doubtful discharges