Nedarim 68a

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Topic

Two sources for why both father and ארוס cancel a נערה המאורסה's vows, and the בעיא of whether the ארוס 'cuts' or 'weakens' the vow

Overview

The גמרא brings a second source, from the school of רבי ישמעאל, for the rule that a נערה המאורסה's vows are cancelled by her father and her ארוס together. It then asks how each side uses the other side's פסוק. רבי ישמעאל's school uses 'אם היו תהיה לאיש' for רבא's other teaching. רבא uses 'בין איש לאשתו' to teach that a husband cancels only vows that affect the two of them. Next the גמרא asks a new question: when the ארוס cancels, does he cut away his share of the vow, or weaken the whole vow? The practical difference is a case of two olives, where the answer decides whether she gets מלקות. To answer, the גמרא begins a ברייתא about when the father's power becomes complete after the ארוס dies, and the ברייתא continues on the next amud.

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The steps (9)

1. StatementThe school of רבי ישמעאל gives a different source
2. QuestionWhat does רבי ישמעאל's school do with 'if she be to a husband'?
3. ResponseThey use it for רבא's other teaching
4. QuestionWhat does רבא do with the פסוק of רבי ישמעאל's school?
5. ResponseA husband only cancels vows that affect the two of them
6. QuestionDoes the ארוס cut the vow or weaken it?
7. QuestionThe case where the question matters: two olives
8. Questionמלקות or only an איסור: what is the ruling?
9. ProofA ברייתא: when the husband dies, the father's power takes over