Shabbos 111b

שבת קי״א ע״ב

Shabbat 111b

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Topic

Rose oil on שבת and רב's ruling like רבי שמעון "but not for his reason"; the close of פרק שמונה שרצים; and the opening משניות and גמרא on which knots are חייב, פטור, or permitted on שבת.

Overview

This עמוד opens by finishing the question of whether רב really rules like רבי שמעון about smearing rose oil on שבת. The barrel-tap case proves nothing, because it is a פסיק רישיה, where even רבי שמעון forbids. רבא then explains that רב follows רבי שמעון's ruling but not his reason. For רב, rose oil is permitted only where it is common, and in his area it was. The פרק שמונה שרצים ends with its הדרן, and a new פרק on knots begins. The משנה says permanent knots, like the camel drivers' and sailors' knots, make one חייב, while רבי מאיר exempts any knot that can be untied with one hand. The גמרא identifies these knots as the ones that hold the rings themselves in place. It leaves unresolved (תיקו) how רבי מאיר would rule on a bow. A second משנה lists everyday knots, and the גמרא resolves a contradiction in its wording by showing that it describes two kinds of non-liable knots. The details continue on the next עמוד.

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The steps (22)

1. Challengeרב forbids tightly stuffing a barrel tap on יום טוב
2. ResolutionEven רבי שמעון agrees when the result is certain
3. ChallengeAn explicit tradition that רב rules like רבי יהודה
4. Resolutionרבא: like רבי שמעון, but not for his reason
5. QuestionWhat does 'not for his reason' mean?
6. ResponseFirst suggestion: רב thinks rose oil does not heal
7. ChallengeThe משנה shows rose oil does heal
8. ResolutionFinal explanation: it depends on whether rose oil is common
9. Conclusionהדרן — Closing פרק שמונה שרצים
10. StatementNew chapter: the knots that make you liable
11. Statementרבי מאיר: a one-hand knot is not liable
12. QuestionWhich knots are the camel and sailor knots?
13. ResponseFirst guess: the knots tied to the rings
14. RejectionRejected: those knots are not permanent
15. ResponseCorrect answer: the knots that hold the rings themselves
16. Questionרב אחדבוי asks about a bow according to רבי מאיר
17. QuestionThe two sides: easy to untie, or not tight?
18. ConclusionThe question stays open
19. StatementSecond משנה: everyday knots that are not liable
20. Statementרבי אליעזר בן יעקב: a rope in front of an animal
21. ChallengeThe משנה seems to contradict itself
22. ResolutionRereading the משנה: two kinds of non-liable knots