Shevuos 17b
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Shevuot 17b
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Topic
A טמא in the מקדש, speeding up עבודה, entering in an unusual way, and the עשה of נדה with its two חטאות.
Overview
The גמרא first asks how a טמא could be liable for staying in the מקדש if he left by the shortest way. אביי answers that on his way out he turned over a limb on the מזבח with a fork, which counts as עבודה, like רב הונא's rule about a זר. Examining רב הונא's rule, the גמרא concludes that anything that speeds up an עבודה is itself an עבודה. Next, רבי אושעיא teaches that someone who enters a בית המנוגע backward stays טהור unless his whole body is inside, because the Torah only counts the normal way of entering. רבא explains that a person fully inside is טמא like the vessels in the house, and a ברייתא about a טמא entering the היכל through the roofs supports the rule. The גמרא then shows that our משנה's words 'זו היא' point back to a משנה in הוריות contrasting the מקדש with נדה. The example for נדה is a man who withdraws immediately, and אמוראים rule he brings two חטאות. רבה begins asking what case this could be, and his search continues on the next amud.
Opening lines
אֶלָּא אִי אָמְרַתְּ
But if you say
דַּוְקָא גְּמִירִי,
that it is learned specifically as a tradition,
הֵיכִי מַשְׁכַּחַתְּ לַהּ?
how can you find it?
אָמַר אַבָּיֵי: מַאי קוּשְׁיָא?
Abaye said: What is the difficulty?
The steps (17)
- ChallengeHow could this case ever happen?
- Resolutionאביי: He turned a limb with a fork on the way out
- StatementRestating רב הונא's rule to examine it
- ChallengeEither it is obvious or he did nothing
- ResolutionSpeeding up an עבודה is itself an עבודה
- Statementרבי אושעיא: Entering a בית המנוגע Backward
- ChallengeThe Feared Objection: Then a Whole Body Should Also Be Pure
- Resolutionרבא: A Whole Person Is No Better Than the Vessels Inside
- ProofA ברייתא Supports It: Entering the היכל Through the Roofs
- QuestionWhat Does 'This Is' in the משנה Refer To?
- ResponseIt Refers to the משנה in הוריות
- ResponseThe rest of the משנה in הוריות: the מקדש versus נדה
- ResponseOur משנה ties back to הוריות and defines the עשה of נדה
- StatementWithdrawing immediately makes him liable for two חטאות
- Questionרבה asks what case we are talking about
- QuestionSuggesting it was near her expected time, and asking who the man is
- ChallengeFor a תלמיד חכם, withdrawing would be on purpose