Succah 54a
סוכה נ״ד ע״א
Sukkah 54a
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Topic
רב כהנא's 'no pause at all' between שופר blasts, and the משנה's count of 48 trumpet blasts in the מקדש: whose view it follows, and whether each מוסף gets its own blasts (רבי אחא בר חנינא).
Overview
This amud opens by finishing an earlier discussion. The words 'ולא כלום' (not at all) prove that רב כהנא follows רבי יהודה and allows no pause at all between the תקיעה and the תרועה. Next the גמרא turns to the משנה's count of 48 trumpet blasts on ערב שבת during סוכות. That list has blasts on the altar but none at the tenth step, so it follows רבי אליעזר בן יעקב, and the גמרא explains the reasoning of each side. Then רבי אחא בר חנינא brings a ברייתא teaching that each מוסף gets its own set of blasts. The גמרא challenges him: then שבת of סוכות should have 51 blasts, and the משנה should have listed it. רבי זירא's answer, that there are no gate blasts on שבת, is rejected by רבא. רבא answers instead that the water-drawing blasts are not sounded on שבת, so the total drops. Finally, ראש השנה on שבת would also reach 48, but the תנא simply left cases out (תנא ושייר), including ערב פסח. So רבי אחא בר חנינא's rule stands.
Opening lines
מַהוּ דְּתֵימָא:
Lest you say:
אֲפִילּוּ כְּרַבָּנַן,
(he holds) even like the Rabbis,
וּלְאַפּוֹקֵי מִדְּרַבִּי יוֹחָנָן דְּאָמַר:
and (he comes) to exclude Rabbi Yochanan, who said:
שָׁמַע תֵּשַׁע תְּקִיעוֹת בְּתֵשַׁע שָׁעוֹת בַּיּוֹם —
If one heard nine blasts in nine (different) hours of the day,
The steps (24)
- ResolutionWhy רב כהנא's statement is not obvious
- ChallengeMaybe he really does follow the Rabbis
- ResolutionThe words 'at all' prove he follows רבי יהודה
- StatementQuoting the משנה and noticing what is missing
- QuestionWhose view is the משנה?
- ResponseIt is רבי אליעזר בן יעקב
- ProofThe ברייתא showing the dispute
- ConclusionThe two opinions are mutually exclusive
- QuestionWhy does רבי אליעזר בן יעקב place the blasts at the altar?
- ResponseThe tenth step is not a gate, so the altar is better
- ResponseThe רבנן's reasoning: the tenth step is better
- Statementרבי אחא בר חנינא's ברייתא: blasts follow the מוספין
- StatementExplaining the ברייתא: blasts for every single מוסף
- ChallengeChallenge: why does the משנה not list 51 blasts on שבת of סוכות?
- Resolutionרבי זירא: no gate blasts on שבת
- Rejectionרבא rejects: the משנה says gate blasts happen every day
- Challengeרבא's second point: the משנה should still have taught שבת
- Resolutionרבא: No water-drawing blasts on שבת, so the count drops
- ChallengeWhy not list ראש השנה that falls on שבת?
- Resolutionערב שבת of סוכות was needed to teach רבי אליעזר בן יעקב's view
- ChallengeBut the משנה could have taught both cases
- ResolutionThe תנא taught some cases and left others out
- QuestionWhat else was left out?
- ResponseHe also left out ערב פסח