Succah 7b

סוכה ז׳ ע״ב

Sukkah 7b

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Topic

רבא's rulings on borrowed walls, sunlight through the walls (רבי יאשיה), אביי's list of תנאים who require a דירת קבע, and רבי יוחנן's round סוכה.

Overview

The amud opens with two rulings of רבא. סכך over a מבוי with a לחי is a כשרה סוכה, and so is סכך over פסי ביראות. The גמרא explains why each ruling is needed (צריכותא), including a third ruling that goes from the laws of סוכה to the laws of שבת. Next the משנה says a סוכה with more sun than shade is פסולה. A ברייתא records a מחלוקת: the תנא קמא counts only sunlight through the סכך, while רבי יאשיה also counts sunlight through the walls, based on the פסוק about the פרוכת. אביי then lists eight תנאים who all hold that a סוכה must be a דירת קבע, and the גמרא shows the source for each one. Finally, רבי יוחנן rules that a round סוכה needs room for twenty-four people around its edge, following רבי's four-by-four-אמות minimum. The גמרא challenges this with math showing that twelve should be enough. The answer comes on the next amud.

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The steps (25)

1. StatementRoofing over an alleyway with a side post is kosher
2. StatementRoofing over the corner posts around a well is kosher
3. ResolutionWhy the alleyway case alone would not be enough
4. ResolutionWhy the well-posts case alone would not be enough
5. ResolutionWhy the third ruling is also needed
6. StatementThe משנה: more sun than shade is invalid
7. StatementOnly sunlight through the roof counts
8. Statementרבי יאשיה: sunlight through the walls counts too
9. QuestionWhat is רבי יאשיה's reason?
10. ResponseThe פרוכת: a wall that the תורה calls covering
11. QuestionHow do the רבנן read the פסוק?
12. ResponseThe curtain was bent to look like a roof
13. Statementאביי lists eight תנאים who require a דירת קבע
14. Proofרבי's source: a סוכה must be four by four אמות
15. Proofרבי יאשיה's source: what we already said
16. Proofרבי יהודה allows a סוכה taller than twenty אמות
17. Proofרבי שמעון requires three full walls plus a fourth
18. Proofרבן גמליאל rejects a סוכה on a wagon or boat
19. Proofבית שמאי require room for a person and his table
20. Proofרבי אליעזר requires a real house: a סוכה needs a roof
21. Proofאחרים require a real house: a סוכה needs corners
22. Statementרבי יוחנן: a round furnace-shaped סוכה needs room for 24 people around its edge
23. QuestionWhose view is רבי יוחנן following?
24. ResponseIt follows רבי, who requires four by four אמות
25. ChallengeThe math suggests twelve people should be enough, not twenty-four