Avodah Zarah 33b

עבודה זרה ל״ג ע״ב

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Topic

Making vessels that held a גוי's wine usable: brine, fire, rinsing, cups, and glazed vessels

Overview

The גמרא keeps discussing vessels that soaked up a גוי's wine, and how to make them usable again. First it proves that fish brine may be put into old jugs from the start. Then it says firing the jugs in a furnace until the tar softens permits them, but burning splinters inside does not. רב נחמן and רב יהודה forbid putting beer into such jugs and רבא permits it. Next comes a series of vessel types: dung vessels filled with water (and wrongly left in the sun), כלי נתר that can never be fixed, and jugs that need only a rinse, either because the wine was in them only briefly or because they barely absorb. For drinking cups, the הלכה is that a גוי's first or second use forbids them and the third use leaves them permitted. Finally, רב זביד and מרימר argue about glazed vessels of different colors. The גמרא asks why חמץ on פסח should be different, and narrows a question put to מרימר down to smooth white and black vessels. His answer begins at the end of the amud and continues on the next one.

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The steps (30)

1. QuestionIs brine allowed from the start or only after the fact?
2. ResponseA ברייתא proves brine is allowed from the start
3. QuestionWhat if the jugs were put back into the furnace?
4. ResponseIf brine works, fire surely works
5. Proofרבי יוחנן also permits jugs refired in a furnace
6. StatementSoftened tar is enough
7. StatementArgument over burning splinters
8. ConclusionThe הלכה follows the stricter view
9. QuestionMay beer be put into such a jug?
10. ResponseSages argue about beer
11. Proofרבינא permits beer even after a mistake
12. Statementרב יצחק בר ביסנא's dung vessels burst in the sun
13. Challengeרבי אבא: the sun was never part of the method
14. StatementNatron vessels can never be made usable
15. QuestionWhat are natron vessels?
16. ResponseNatron vessels are made from alum diggings
17. Questionפרזק seizes jugs, fills them with wine, and returns them
18. Responseרב יהודה: rinse them in water, since the wine was not put in for storage
19. Statementרב עוירא: dark Aramean jugs need only a rinse
20. Statementרב פפי: vessels from בי מיכסי need only a rinse
21. StatementDispute about wine cups
22. StatementWhere the dispute really is: second use
23. StatementSecond version: the dispute is about the third use
24. ConclusionThe final הלכה for cups
25. Statementרב זביד on glazed vessels by color
26. Statementמרימר permits every color
27. ChallengeHow is this different from חמץ on פסח?
28. QuestionThe question is only about white and black
29. QuestionCracked vessels are not part of the question
30. QuestionThe real question: smooth vessels