Bava Kamma 25b
בבא קמא כ״ה ע״ב
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Topic
How far דיו limits a קל וחומר: the proof from the semen of a זב, the ברייתא about a mat made impure by a מת, the גזירה שוה of 'garment and leather', and why שן ורגל is exempt in רשות הרבים
Overview
This amud opens in the middle of a quoted משנה, which lists the fluids of a זב that make things טמא by touching and by carrying. The גמרא uses that list to show that the שכבת זרע of a זב is learned from רוק by a קל וחומר, with no limit from דיו. It defends this proof from the order of the list. רב אחא מדפתי then challenges רבינא with a ברייתא. In that ברייתא, a קל וחומר seems to make a mat (מפץ) טמא from a מת for seven days, even though דיו could have limited it to impurity until evening. אביי answers that the קל וחומר only teaches about a שרץ, and that the mat's impurity from a מת comes from a גזירה שוה on the words 'garment and leather'. The גמרא shows that these words are extra on both sides, and רבא uses a פסוק to show that anything made impure by a מת stays impure for seven days. Finally, the גמרא returns to damages. It rejects a קל וחומר that would make שן ורגל liable in רשות הרבים, because the פסוק says 'in the field of another'.
Opening lines
זוֹבוֹ שֶׁל זָב, וְרוּקּוֹ,
The discharge of a zav, and his spittle,
וְשִׁכְבַת זַרְעוֹ, וּמֵימֵי רַגְלָיו,
and his semen, and his urine,
וְדַם הַנִּדָּה –
and the blood of a menstruating woman –
מְטַמְּאִין בֵּין בְּמַגָּע בֵּין בְּמַשָּׂא.
impart impurity both by touching and by carrying.
The steps (17)
- ProofThe list of fluids that make things impure by touching and carrying
- RejectionMaybe it is only because of hidden drops of discharge
- ResolutionThe order of the list shows it is learned from spittle
- Challengeרב אחא: here is a תנא who ignores the limit even when it is harmless
- ProofThe ברייתא: a mat becomes impure from a corpse
- ChallengeWhy seven days? The limit should have allowed only one day
- Resolutionאביי's answer: the קל וחומר is really about a שרץ
- ProofA mat becomes impure from a מת through a גזירה שוה
- ChallengeThe גזירה שוה only works if the words are extra
- ResolutionProof that the words are extra
- ConclusionThe words in the שרץ section are extra
- ChallengeExtra on only one side is not enough for everyone
- ResolutionThe words in the מת section are extra too
- ChallengeDo the details come along with the גזירה שוה?
- Resolutionרבא: Anything made impure by a corpse stays impure at least seven days
- ChallengeShould שן ורגל be liable in רשות הרבים, learned from קרן?
- ResolutionThe פסוק limits שן ורגל to another's field