Bava Kamma 2b
בבא קמא ב׳ ע״ב
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Topic
The אבות and תולדות of damage by an ox: קרן, its sub-types, and the sources for שן and רגל
Overview
The גמרא finishes its example from טומאה, where the תולדות are weaker than their אבות, and asks how it works in damages. רב פפא answers that in damages some תולדות are like their אבות and some are not. A ברייתא lists the three אבות of an ox: קרן, שן and רגל. The גמרא proves from two פסוקים that 'goring' means using a horn, and explains that the second פסוק shows the difference between תם and מועד applies to an attached horn too. It then lists the תולדות of קרן: pushing, biting, crouching and kicking. Along the way it learns from the words יגח and יגף that an ox מועד for people is מועד for animals, but not the other way around. Since the תולדות of קרן are fully like קרן, רב פפא must have meant שן and רגל. The גמרא begins bringing the פסוקים for רגל and שן, and the second proof continues on the next עמוד.
Opening lines
וּטְמֵא מֵת.
and one who is impure from a dead body.
תּוֹלְדוֹתֵיהֶן לָאו כַּיּוֹצֵא בָּהֶן;
Their offshoots are not like them;
דְּאִילּוּ אָב – מְטַמֵּא אָדָם וְכֵלִים,
for a primary source makes a person and vessels impure,
וְאִילּוּ תּוֹלָדוֹת – אוֹכָלִין וּמַשְׁקִין מְטַמֵּא,
while offshoots make food and drink impure,
The steps (28)
- StatementIn טומאה the offshoots are weaker than the primary sources
- QuestionWhat about damages?
- Responseרב פפא: some are like their sources, some are not
- StatementThree primary kinds of damage by an ox
- QuestionWhere do we learn קרן from?
- Response'If it gores' means with a horn, proven from צדקיה
- ProofA second פסוק: horns used to gore nations
- QuestionWhy did the ברייתא need a second verse?
- ResponseFirst answer: a תורה law cannot be learned from נביאים
- RejectionThis is only revealing a fact, not learning a law
- ResolutionSecond answer: the second verse shows an attached horn has the תם and מועד difference too
- StatementThe sub-types of goring
- ChallengeWhy is goring a main category but pushing is not?
- ResolutionThe pushing in the פסוק is really goring
- ProofProof: the פסוק starts with pushing and ends with goring
- QuestionThen why two different words?
- ResponseA person can protect himself, an animal cannot
- StatementA side lesson: forewarned for people means forewarned for animals
- ChallengeShouldn't biting belong under eating?
- ResolutionEating brings pleasure; biting does not
- ChallengeShouldn't crouching and kicking belong under trampling?
- ResolutionTrampling is common; crouching and kicking are not
- QuestionSo which category did רב פפא mean?
- ChallengeCould רב פפא have meant קרן? No
- Responseרב פפא meant שן and רגל
- QuestionWhere are שן and רגל written in the תורה?
- Response"ושלח" teaches רגל
- Proof"ובער" teaches שן