Bechoros 9b
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Bekhorot 9b
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Topic
The womb and בכורה for twins, and whether a פטר חמור is אסור בהנאה before redemption and after עריפה
Overview
This amud starts by asking whether the חכמים must hold that touching only part of the רחם makes an animal a בכור. רב answers that one newborn does not block another, because מין במינו אינו חוצץ. The גמרא then asks why the owner of a doubtful פטר חמור sets aside a lamb he keeps for himself. The answer is that the lamb removes the איסור, which shows our משנה follows רבי יהודה: an unredeemed פטר חמור is אסור בהנאה, while רבי שמעון permits it. עולא explains each side with a logical rule, and the גמרא defends each rule against challenges from מעשר שני, קידושין, and שביעית. A second explanation ties the dispute to how each תנא reads 'שורך' and 'צאנך'. That reading ends with a קשיא against רבי שמעון. Finally, רבה says even רבי שמעון forbids the donkey after its neck is broken, learning it from עגלה ערופה. רבא proves this from a ברייתא about which forbidden items count as food for impurity.
Opening lines
וְרַבָּנַן, לֵימָא קָסָבְרִי רַבָּנַן
And the Rabbis: shall we say the Rabbis hold
מִקְצָת רֶחֶם מַקְדֵּישׁ?
that part of the womb sanctifies?
דְּאִי כּוּלֵּיהּ רֶחֶם מַקְדֵּישׁ —
For if only the whole womb sanctifies,
נְהִי דְּאִי אֶפְשָׁר לְצַמְצֵם,
granted that it is impossible to be exactly precise,
The steps (32)
- QuestionDo the Rabbis hold that part of the womb is enough to sanctify?
- ResolutionSame kind does not block same kind
- QuestionWhy set aside a lamb he keeps anyway?
- ResponseThe lamb removes the prohibition from the donkey
- StatementSo an unredeemed firstborn donkey is forbidden for benefit
- ResponseThe משנה follows רבי יהודה
- QuestionWhat is רבי יהודה's reason?
- Responseעולא: anything that needs redemption is forbidden
- ChallengeBut a firstborn son needs redemption and is permitted
- Resolutionעולא means something the Torah insists be redeemed with a lamb
- ChallengeBut רב נחמיה redeemed a פטר חמור with vegetables
- ResolutionThe strictness applies only when redeeming for less than its value
- ChallengeBut רבי יהודה lets מעשר שני work for קידושין
- Resolutionקידושין works even with a פטר חמור, following רבי אלעזר
- ResolutionHow a woman is betrothed with a פטר חמור
- QuestionWhat is רבי שמעון's reason?
- Responseעולא: a redemption item cannot be permitted while the original is forbidden
- ChallengeChallenge from שביעית produce
- ResolutionThe item received for שביעית produce is also forbidden
- ResponseA second explanation: the dispute depends on a verse, as taught in a ברייתא
- Statementרבי שמעון's reading: a firstborn son and a firstborn donkey are permitted
- ChallengeWhy would רבי יהודה need two phrases for one idea?
- ChallengeWould רבי יהודה forbid work with a firstborn son?
- ResolutionEveryone agrees on 'your ox'; they argue only about 'your flock'
- ResolutionWhy רבי שמעון uses the verse for a firstborn donkey
- ChallengeWhy does רבי שמעון need the words 'your ox' and 'your flock'?
- Statementרבה: רבי שמעון agrees a פטר חמור is forbidden after its neck is broken
- QuestionWhat is the reason for רבה's rule?
- ResponseA גזירה שוה from עגלה ערופה
- Proofרבא opens a proof from a ברייתא about food impurity
- Proofרבי שמעון says none of the items count as food, except meat with milk
- StatementFood counts only if you could give it to others to eat