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Berachos 48a

ברכות מ״ח ע״א

Berakhot 48a

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Topic

Who counts toward a זימון (a קטן, people who ate ירק), and how much one must eat to lead ברכת המזון for others

Overview

This amud finishes the long discussion about counting a קטן for a זימון. The גמרא rules like רב נחמן: a קטן who knows to Whom we bless is counted. A story about young אביי and רבא shows what that understanding looks like. Next, רב rules that nine who ate דגן and one who ate ירק join for a זימון of ten. רבי זירא learns that eight or seven also work, but he holds that six is not enough because we need a רובא דמינכר, a clearly noticeable majority. רבי ירמיה disagrees, since six is still a רוב. The גמרא then tells how שמעון בן שטח drank a cup of wine and led ברכת המזון for ינאי המלך. רבי יוחנן says this was not the standard rule: to lead others, one must eat a כזית of דגן. A ברייתא seems to say even one fig is enough. The גמרא answers that a small amount lets a person join the group, but leading it still needs a כזית of דגן. A supporting statement from רבא begins at the end and continues on the next amud.

Opening lines

לְאֵתוּיֵי קָטָן פּוֹרֵחַ?

To include a 'blossoming' (maturing) minor?

וְלֵית הִלְכְתָא כְּכׇל הָנֵי שְׁמַעְתָּתָא,

And the halacha is not in accordance with any of these teachings,

אֶלָּא כִּי הָא דְּאָמַר רַב נַחְמָן:

rather, like this that Rav Nachman said:

קָטָן הַיּוֹדֵעַ לְמִי מְבָרְכִין —

A minor who knows to Whom one blesses —

The steps (17)

  1. ResolutionThe phrase 'we are not exacting' comes to include a minor at the threshold of maturity
  2. ConclusionThe הלכה follows רב נחמן: a קטן who knows Whom we bless is counted
  3. Statementרבה tests young אביי and רבא on Whom we bless
  4. Conclusionרבה predicts both will become great חכמים
  5. StatementNine who ate grain and one who ate vegetables join together
  6. Questionרבי זירא asks about eight or seven grain-eaters
  7. Responseרב יהודה answers that there is no difference
  8. Statementרבי זירא says six was obvious to him
  9. Challengeרבי ירמיה argues that six is obviously enough because it is a majority
  10. Resolutionרבי זירא requires a noticeable majority
  11. Statementינאי המלך has no one to lead the ברכה
  12. Statementשמעון בן שטח says the Torah honors him
  13. Statementשמעון בן שטח drinks first, then leads the ברכה
  14. Statementרבי יוחנן: leading others requires a כזית of grain
  15. ChallengeChallenge: רבן שמעון בן גמליאל says even one fig is enough
  16. ResolutionJoining the group is different from leading the ברכה
  17. ProofA supporting statement from רבא begins