Chagigah 19b
חגיגה י״ט ע״ב
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Topic
Whether רבי יהודה holds 'raising the partition', which תנא wrote the משנה about immersing for חולין versus מעשר, and רב מרי's lesson about חולין kept at the purity of קודש
Overview
The amud opens at the end of a ברייתא brought as a challenge to רבי יוחנן. In it, רבי יהודה disagrees with רבי מאיר about immersing in the upper of two stacked pools, which shows that רבי יהודה does not hold the idea of 'raising the partition'. רבי יוחנן accepts this: if the ברייתא says so, it says so. The גמרא then goes back to our משנה, which says that immersing for חולין does not count for מעשר, and explains that this is the view of the רבנן, who treat חולין and מעשר differently. But the end of the same משנה lists levels of purity with no separate level for מעשר, which sounds like רבי מאיר. The גמרא's first answer is that the משנה is split: the beginning is the רבנן and the end is רבי מאיר. רב אחא בר אדא avoids the split by reading five levels at the end, so the whole משנה follows the רבנן. Finally, רב מרי learns from the משנה that חולין prepared with the purity standards of קודש are treated like קודש, and the גמרא asks where this comes from. The answer comes on the next amud.
Opening lines
מֵאִיר הָיָה אוֹמֵר: מַטְבִּיל בָּעֶלְיוֹנָה,
[Rabbi] Meir would say: One may immerse in the upper one,
וַאֲנִי אוֹמֵר: בַּתַּחְתּוֹנָה
and I say: In the lower one,
וְלֹא בָּעֶלְיוֹנָה!
but not in the upper one!
אֲמַר לֵיהּ: אִי תַּנְיָא — תַּנְיָא.
He said to him: If it is taught, it is taught.
The steps (9)
- ChallengeThe end of the ברייתא: רבי יהודה disagrees with רבי מאיר
- Conclusionרבי יוחנן accepts the ברייתא
- QuestionWhose view is our משנה about immersing for חולין?
- ResponseThe answer: it is the רבנן
- ChallengeLook at the end of the משנה
- ChallengeDoes the משנה switch authors halfway?
- ResolutionYes, the משנה is split
- Resolutionרב אחא בר אדא reads five levels so the whole משנה follows the רבנן
- Statementרב מרי: חולין kept at the purity of קודש count like קודש