Chagigah 6b

חגיגה ו׳ ע״ב

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Topic

Was the עולה at הר סיני an עולת ראייה or the עולת תמיד? Which תנאים hold each view, why רבי ישמעאל is removed from the list, and רב חסדא's question about which animals were brought.

Overview

The גמרא asks which תנאים hold that the עולה brought at הר סיני was an עולת ראייה, and which hold it was the עולת תמיד. For רבי ישמעאל, the details of the מצוות came only later in the אהל מועד. So it first seems he cannot hold the offering was the תמיד, since the same offering would have gone from not needing הפשט וניתוח to needing them. רבי אלעזר says the laws of the תמיד were said at סיני but it was not brought there. רבי עקיבא says it was brought and never stopped, and he explains the פסוק in עמוס as meaning that only שבט לוי brought it. On the other side, the גמרא brings בית הלל, רבי עקיבא, and רבי יוסי הגלילי, whose ברייתא shows that only the חגיגה existed before the דיבור. Then the גמרא notes that רבי יוסי הגלילי holds the desert תמיד really did change from no הפשט וניתוח to needing them, so רבי ישמעאל is taken off the list. רב חסדא asks whether the desert עולות were sheep or bulls. That would matter for the trope of the פסוק or for a vow, and the question ends in תיקו. Finally, the גמרא begins quoting a משנה in פאה about things that have no set measure.

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The steps (22)

1. StatementGeneral rules at סיני, details later: the dispute
2. ProofWhy רבי ישמעאל cannot hold the Sinai offering was the daily offering
3. Proofרבי אלעזר: the daily offering was taught at סיני but not brought there
4. Statementרבי עקיבא: the daily offering was brought at סיני and never stopped
5. ChallengeA verse in עמוס challenges רבי עקיבא
6. ResolutionOnly the tribe of Levi brought the תמיד in the desert
7. ProofSources for בית הלל and רבי עקיבא: what we already said
8. Proofרבי יוסי הגלילי: three מצוות on the רגל
9. StatementEach of the three has something special; the ראייה goes entirely to ה׳
10. ProofOnly the חגיגה existed before the דיבור at סיני
11. StatementThe שמחה applies to both men and women
12. QuestionWhy was רבי ישמעאל grouped with בית שמאי?
13. ResponseThe reasoning: an offering cannot change its rules
14. Challengeרבי יוסי הגלילי holds exactly that
15. ProofThe ברייתא that shows רבי יוסי הגלילי's view
16. ConclusionTake רבי ישמעאל off the list
17. Questionרב חסדא asks: which animals were offered at סיני?
18. QuestionWhat difference does the reading make?
19. Responseמר זוטרא: it affects the trope of the verse
20. Responseרב אחא: it affects a vow to bring an offering like the desert one
21. ConclusionThe question is left unresolved
22. StatementA משנה in פאה: things with no set measure