Chullin 112a

חולין קי״ב ע״א

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Topic

Meat absorbing dairy or blood: produce cut with a meat knife, salt and vinegar near dairy, a bird fallen into כמכא, bread soaked with meat juice, and catching drippings from roasting meat.

Overview

This amud finishes a discussion about vegetables cut with a meat knife and then eaten with כותח, a salty dairy dip. A sharp radish soaks up the meat, but a cucumber only needs the cut spot scraped. Turnip stalks are fine and chard is not. Next, רב נחמן rules that a jar of salt may not stand next to a jar of dairy כמכא, but a jar of vinegar may, because dairy stays in salt and dissolves in vinegar. Then a young bird falls into כמכא and is permitted, because the dip is salty but still edible, so שמואל's rule that salted food is like boiling food does not apply. That leniency covers only a raw bird. A roasted bird needs peeling, and a cracked or spiced bird is fully forbidden. שמואל rules that bread that meat was cut on is forbidden, but only under three conditions, and the גמרא tells how שמואל, רב הונא and רבא handled such bread. Last, שמואל forbids putting a dish under roasting meat until its redness is gone. רב אשי rejects the smoke sign and begins a remedy using two lumps of salt, which continues on the next amud.

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The steps (22)

1. StatementSharp radish absorbs, but a cucumber only needs scraping
2. StatementTurnip stalks are permitted, chard is forbidden, and alternating makes it fine
3. QuestionMay a jar of salt stand next to a jar of dairy כמכא?
4. QuestionWhat about a jar of vinegar?
5. ChallengeWhy is vinegar different from salt?
6. Responseרב נחמן: think about it for a long time
7. ResolutionIn salt the dairy stays visible, in vinegar it dissolves
8. StatementA young bird falls into a jug of dairy dip and is permitted
9. Statementרבא praises the ruling
10. ResolutionWhy the bird is permitted: the dip is salty but still edible
11. StatementThe leniency is only for a raw bird
12. StatementBread that meat was cut on is forbidden
13. StatementThree conditions for the bread to be forbidden
14. StatementWhat שמואל and רב הונא did with such bread
15. ChallengeEither way, רב הונא's practice makes no sense
16. Resolutionרב הונא was just squeamish
17. Conclusionרבא ate the bread and called it 'meat wine'
18. StatementNo vessel under roasting meat until the redness is gone
19. QuestionHow can we tell when the redness is gone?
20. ResponseThe sign is when smoke rises
21. ChallengeMaybe only the bottom is done
22. ResponseThere is no sign, so use two lumps of salt