Chullin 4b
חולין ד׳ ע״ב
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Topic
Trusting a sinner's food and שחיטה: the חמץ proof, the ברייתא of הכל שוחטין, and רב ענן's proof from יהושפט at אחאב's feast.
Overview
The גמרא asks how far we can trust a sinner about food. It first uses a ברייתא about חמץ held by sinners after פסח, which is permitted 'because they exchange' it. From this it proves that even a sinner will not leave permitted food to eat forbidden food. It then tries to support רבא from a ברייתא that says everyone may slaughter, even a ערל and a ישראל משומד. The proof is pushed off: the משומד there is someone who worships idols, following רב ענן in the name of שמואל, who allows eating from such a person's שחיטה. רב ענן's source is that the righteous king יהושפט ate at the feast of the idol-worshipping king אחאב. The גמרא tests this proof step by step. It asks whether יהושפט really ate, and whether he only drank. It then asks who did the slaughtering: עובדיה, the seven thousand, or אחאב's servants. The amud ends with one more possibility, that each king's men slaughtered for their own side, and the answer comes on the next amud.
Opening lines
מוּתָּר מִיָּד,
is permitted immediately,
מִפְּנֵי שֶׁהֵן מַחְלִיפִין.
because they exchange it.
סַבְרוּהָ, הָא מַנִּי?
They assumed: whose view is this?
רַבִּי יְהוּדָה הִיא, דְּאָמַר:
It is רבי יהודה's, who says:
The steps (34)
- ProofEnd of the ברייתא: the חמץ is permitted right away because they exchange it
- ProofReading the ברייתא as רבי יהודה's view proves a sinner won't choose the forbidden
- RejectionPerhaps the ברייתא follows רבי שמעון, where the ban is only rabbinic
- ResolutionEven under רבי שמעון the proof stands, by a קל וחומר
- ProofA ברייתא That Might Support רבא
- QuestionWho Is the Uncircumcised Man?
- ResponseHe Refuses Circumcision
- ProofThe Last Clause Must Mean a Sinner With נבלות
- RejectionA Sinner in That Very Matter Cannot Slaughter
- ResolutionThe ברייתא Means an Idol Worshipper
- Statementרב ענן's Ruling Itself
- ProofProof From יהושפט at אחאב's Feast
- ChallengeMaybe אחאב slaughtered but יהושפט did not eat
- ResolutionThe word 'he enticed him' shows that יהושפט ate
- ChallengeMaybe the enticing was only with words
- ResolutionEnticing is not done with words
- ChallengeThe מסית seems to entice with words
- ResolutionThe מסית also entices with food and drink
- Challengeשטן 'enticed' ה׳ without food
- ResolutionEnticing toward ה׳ is different
- ChallengeMaybe יהושפט only drank
- ResolutionEating and drinking should follow the same rule
- RejectionThe drinking was allowed for a different reason
- ResolutionA king does not drink without eating
- ResolutionThe פסוק shows he was won over through slaughtered meat
- ChallengeMaybe the righteous עובדיה did the slaughtering
- ResolutionOne man could not slaughter so many animals
- ChallengeMaybe the seven thousand righteous people slaughtered
- ResolutionThe seven thousand were in hiding
- ChallengeMaybe אחאב's own servants were good people
- ResolutionA wicked ruler has wicked servants
- ChallengeMaybe יהושפט's men were not careful either
- ResolutionA righteous king has righteous servants
- ChallengeMaybe each king's men slaughtered for their own side