Chullin 5a

חולין ה׳ ע״א

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Topic

רב ענן's view on the שחיטה of a משומד for עבודה זרה: proofs from יהושפט, אחאב and אליהו, and its refutation from ברייתות

Overview

The גמרא is discussing רב ענן's view that a Jew who serves idols, like אחאב, can still do a kosher שחיטה. First it insists that יהושפט, a righteous king, did not keep himself apart from אחאב, and proves this from the two kings sitting facing each other like a סנהדרין. A support from אליהו, whom the ravens fed meat from אחאב's slaughterhouse, is pushed off because אליהו ate by the direct word of הקב"ה. A side discussion proves that those עורבים were real ravens. They were not two men named עורב, and not people from a place called עורב. Next, a ברייתא that lets "even a ישראל משומד" slaughter seems to support רב ענן. The גמרא explains that this משומד is someone who eats נבילות, following רבא. Finally, a ברייתא about who may bring קרבנות shows that a משומד for עבודה זרה counts as a משומד for the whole תורה, so רב ענן is fully refuted. The amud ends by asking whether the rule excluding a משומד from bringing קרבנות really comes from this פסוק or from a different one.

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The steps (27)

1. Rejectionיהושפט would not keep himself apart from אחאב
2. QuestionWhere do we know this from? A first suggested verse
3. RejectionThe same verse also says "my horses as your horses"
4. ProofA better source: the two kings sitting at the gate of שומרון
5. QuestionWhat does "threshing floor" mean here?
6. ResponseSitting in a half-circle, like a סנהדרין
7. ProofA suggested support: the ravens brought אליהו meat from אחאב
8. Rejectionאליהו ate by God's direct command
9. QuestionWhat were the עורבים?
10. Responseרבינא: real ravens
11. ChallengeMaybe they were two men named עורב
12. ResolutionBoth just happened to be named עורב?
13. ChallengeMaybe the עורבים were named after their hometown
14. ResolutionThe פסוק would have said עורביים
15. ProofA ברייתא that may support רב ענן
16. QuestionWho is the ערל in the ברייתא?
17. ResponseThe ערל is a משומד for not doing מילה
18. ProofSo the later משומד must be for עבודה זרה
19. RejectionA משומד for עבודה זרה cannot slaughter
20. ResponseThe ברייתא's ישראל משומד is a sinner in eating נבילות
21. ChallengeA ברייתא about which Jews may bring קרבנות
22. ChallengeThe ברייתא seems to contradict itself
23. ResolutionWhole-תורה sinner versus one-matter sinner
24. ChallengeWho is the מְשׁוּמָּד in the last part of the ברייתא?
25. ResolutionReading the last part as describing one kind of מְשׁוּמָּד
26. Conclusionעבודה זרה counts as the whole תורה: a refutation of רב ענן
27. ChallengeIs the rule really learned from this פסוק?