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Chullin 5b

חולין ה׳ ע״ב

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Topic

Two sources for rejecting a משומד's קרבן, the meaning of 'בהמה' said about people, and רבן גמליאל's ban on the שחיטה of a כותי.

Overview

The גמרא brings a ברייתא that learns from 'מעם הארץ' that a משומד cannot bring a קרבן. In the same ברייתא, רבי שמעון learns this from a different phrase, and רב המנונא shows where the two views differ. Since an earlier source on the דף ('מכם') already excluded a משומד, the גמרא explains that one source is about a חטאת and the other about an עולה, and shows why both are needed. Next, the גמרא asks whether calling people 'בהמה' always means a weakness, and it carefully separates 'בהמה' alone, 'אדם ובהמה' together, and the two separate groups in ירמיהו. Then a new topic begins: רבן גמליאל's בית דין voted to forbid the שחיטה of a כותי. רבי יעקב בר אידי insists the ban covers even a כותי watched by a Jew, and the גמרא asks if רבי זירא agreed. A story about רבי יוחנן and רבי אסי eating a כותי's שחיטה leads רבי זירא to conclude that they knew the ban and did not accept it, since ה׳ protects צדיקים from eating forbidden food by mistake.

Opening lines

״מֵעַם הָאָרֶץ״ –

'Of the common people'

פְּרָט לִמְשׁוּמָּד.

excludes a transgressor.

רַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן יוֹסֵי אוֹמֵר

Rabbi Shimon ben Yosei says

מִשּׁוּם רַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן:

in the name of Rabbi Shimon:

The steps (18)

  1. ChallengeA second source excludes the משומד from bringing a sin offering
  2. Statementרבי שמעון: only someone who would repent can bring an offering
  3. QuestionWhat is the difference between the two views?
  4. Responseרב המנונא: a משומד for חלב who brings an offering for blood
  5. ResolutionOne source is for a sin offering, one for a burnt offering
  6. ConclusionWhy both sources are needed
  7. ChallengeDoes 'animal' always mean something negative?
  8. ResolutionAnimal alone versus man and animal together
  9. ChallengeIs 'man and animal' together always praise?
  10. ResolutionThe פסוק in ירמיהו separates the two groups
  11. Statementרבן גמליאל's court forbade the שחיטה of a כותי
  12. QuestionMaybe the ban is only when no Jew is watching
  13. RejectionThe unsupervised case is too obvious to need a ruling
  14. QuestionDid רבי זירא accept the rejection?
  15. ProofReport that רבי יוחנן and רבי אסי ate a כותי's slaughter
  16. Questionרבי זירא wonders why they ate it
  17. Responseרבי זירא decides they heard it and rejected it
  18. ProofRighteous people are protected from mistakes