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Eruvin 82b

עירובין פ״ב ע״ב

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Topic

Who may be included in another's עירוב, and how much food an עירוב requires

Overview

The amud opens by finishing the question of how long a child counts as 'needing his mother' for her עירוב. רב יהושע בריה דרב אידי's narrow reading of רב אסי is refuted by a ברייתא that sets the age at six. רב אסי survives because 'עד' includes six. The ברייתא is reconciled with רבי ינאי and ריש לקיש by whether the father is in town. Two ברייתות then teach that a man may make an עירוב for his minor children and כנעני servants without their knowledge, because 'their hand is like his hand.' His wife, adult children and עברי servants need their knowledge. The גמרא shows that silence counts as consent, and that making one's own עירוב is the strongest protest. A new משנה sets the עירוב food at two meals per person and records several opinions on how big those meals are. The גמרא rules like רבי מאיר, and it explains why the measures of רבי יוחנן בן ברוקה and רבי שמעון are 'close to equal' by deducting the grocer's profit.

Opening lines

אָמַר רַב יְהוֹשֻׁעַ בְּרֵיהּ דְּרַב אִידִי:

Rav Yehoshua, son of Rav Idi, said:

כִּי קָאָמַר רַב אַסִּי —

When Rav Asi said his ruling,

כְּגוֹן שֶׁעֵירַב עָלָיו אָבִיו לַצָּפוֹן

it was, for example, where his father made an eiruv for him to the north

וְאִמּוֹ לַדָּרוֹם,

and his mother made one for him to the south,

The steps (37)

  1. Resolutionרב יהושע limits רב אסי's ruling to a case of competing עירובין
  2. ChallengeA ברייתא lets a child use his mother's own עירוב until six
  3. Conclusionרב יהושע's view is refuted
  4. ChallengeDoes the ברייתא also refute רב אסי?
  5. Resolution'Until' includes the endpoint
  6. ChallengeDoes the ברייתא refute רבי ינאי and ריש לקיש?
  7. ResolutionIt depends on whether the father is in town
  8. StatementFirst teaching: whom a person may make an עירוב for
  9. StatementSecond teaching gives the reason: their hand is like his hand
  10. StatementWhen the master's עירוב conflicts with theirs, his wins except for the wife
  11. QuestionWhy is the wife different?
  12. Responseרבה: 'wife' includes everyone like her
  13. StatementInference from 'because she can object'
  14. ChallengeChallenge from 'only with their knowledge'
  15. Resolution'Knowledge' means they stayed silent
  16. ChallengeChallenge from the case where they made their own עירוב
  17. ResolutionMaking her own עירוב is the strongest objection
  18. StatementThe basic measure: two meals per person
  19. StatementWeekday meals or שבת meals
  20. StatementMeasuring two meals by a loaf of bread
  21. StatementHalf and quarter of the loaf for other laws
  22. QuestionHow big are the two meals
  23. Responseרב: two farmers' loaves
  24. Responseרב אדא בר אהבה: two loaves of נהר פפא
  25. Questionרב יוסף asks whose view רבא followed
  26. Responseרבא followed רבי מאיר
  27. Statementרב יוסף agrees, citing 'there is always room for sweets'
  28. StatementA ברייתא says the two measures are nearly the same
  29. ChallengeThe numbers are far apart: four meals versus nine
  30. Resolutionרב חסדא: remove the grocer's third
  31. ChallengeStill a gap: nine versus six
  32. ResolutionUsing רב חסדא's other statement: the grocer takes half
  33. ChallengeBut it is still nine against eight
  34. ResolutionThat is exactly what 'close' means
  35. Challengeרב חסדא contradicts himself
  36. ResolutionIt depends on who supplies the firewood
  37. StatementThe משנה's next phrase: half a loaf and a quarter loaf