Kereisos 24b

כריתות כ״ד ע״ב

Keritot 24b

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Topic

Refused gifts and ריש לקיש's rule, then the laws of an אשם תלוי or אשם ודאי that turns out to be unneeded, and when an עגלה ערופה becomes forbidden.

Overview

The גמרא finishes testing ריש לקיש, who holds that a refused gift belongs to no one, so whoever grabs it first acquires it. It defends him against three sources: "his words stand," "my hand is removed from this field," and a ברייתא about refused slaves eating תרומה. The last one is answered with the rule that a slave made ownerless still needs a גט שחרור, and until he gets it he eats תרומה. The גמרא then returns to the משנה about an אשם תלוי that turns out to be unneeded. It explains רבי אליעזר's view by linking it to the Sages who told בבא בן בוטא to wait for a real doubt. Next it deals with the burning versus burying of unneeded offerings. רבה calls the משנה a תברא, and רב אשי explains the burning as being only because the meat looks like a disqualified offering. It then explains why the meat may be eaten if the truth comes out after the blood is sprinkled, and gives two explanations of רבי יוסי's view. Finally, it brings a dispute between רב המנונא and רבא about when an עגלה ערופה becomes forbidden, and asks רב המנונא from what moment the איסור starts.

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The steps (26)

1. ChallengeDoes "his words stand" mean the gift goes back to the owner?
2. Resolution"His words stand" can mean the gift is ownerless
3. ChallengeChallenge: "my hand is removed from it" achieves nothing
4. ResolutionHe only gave up legal claims, not the field itself
5. ChallengeNew challenge: slaves in a gift that the recipient refused
6. ChallengeThe slave case works for רבן שמעון בן גמליאל but not for the תנא קמא
7. ResolutionA slave set free still needs a document, and until then he eats תרומה
8. StatementQuoting רבי אליעזר in the משנה about the אשם תלוי
9. ChallengeWhy does רבי אליעזר need a sin at all?
10. ResolutionThis רבי אליעזר follows the Sages who told בבא בן בוטא to wait
11. StatementThe meat of an unneeded אשם תלוי is burned
12. ChallengeThe אשם ודאי case says to bury the animal
13. Resolutionרבי אלעזר: two different תנאים wrote this משנה
14. Rejectionרבה: the two kinds of אשם are not the same
15. ChallengeThe real problem: two rules inside the אשם ודאי case
16. ConclusionSo the משנה really is a תברא
17. ResolutionThe meat is burned only because it looks like a disqualified offering
18. ChallengeWhy may the meat be eaten if he now knows the truth?
19. ResolutionWhat counts is the moment of forgiveness
20. ChallengeWhy does רבי יוסי let the blood be sprinkled?
21. ResolutionBlood ready to be sprinkled counts as sprinkled
22. RejectionThis blood was never really ready to be sprinkled
23. ResolutionA holy vessel makes even a disqualified offering fit to be brought
24. StatementBack to the משנה: a definite guilt offering is different
25. StatementDispute: when does the heifer become forbidden?
26. ChallengeFor רב המנונא, from what moment?