Kereisos 25a

כריתות כ״ה ע״א

Keritot 25a

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Topic

When the עגלה ערופה becomes forbidden for benefit, and whether an אשם תלוי can be brought as a voluntary gift

Overview

The amud opens with a question: from when is the עגלה ערופה forbidden for any benefit? Is it forbidden while still alive, or only after its neck is broken? רב המנונא proves it is forbidden while alive. In a משנה about אותו ואת בנו, רבי שמעון exempts someone who slaughters an עגלה ערופה. רבא tries to defend the opposite view, but רב המנונא's proof holds. רבא then brings his own proof from a משנה which says the עגלה is buried because it already 'atoned for its doubt.' That fits only if it becomes forbidden at the עריפה. The גמרא concludes that this is a dispute between תנאים, since a ברייתא holds it is forbidden while alive. A new משנה follows. רבי אליעזר allows a voluntary אשם תלוי, and the חכמים do not. It also teaches when יום כיפור cancels an owed offering. The גמרא explains both sides of the אשם תלוי dispute. The amud ends as רבי חייא begins reciting a teaching before רבא, which continues on the next amud.

Opening lines

The steps (30)

1. Statementרבי ינאי forgot the exact point; his colleagues say going down to the stream forbids it
2. Proofרב המנונא brings a משנה to prove it is forbidden while alive
3. ProofAccording to Rav Hamnuna, the mishnah's argument makes sense
4. ChallengeIf it were forbidden only after the neck-breaking, רבי שמעון's exemption makes no sense
5. ResolutionSuggested answer: רבי שמעון holds slaughter is a valid way to do the עגלה
6. RejectionA משנה says slaughter is invalid for the עגלה ערופה
7. Resolutionרבא's later answer: רבי שמעון disagrees with that משנה
8. Rejectionרב המנונא's reply: no תנא holds that view
9. Proofרבא's own source: before עריפה the עגלה goes back to the flock
10. ProofIf it were forbidden while alive, it could not return to the flock
11. RejectionRereading the משנה: before it was ready for breaking
12. ChallengeThe next line says 'after its neck was broken'
13. ResolutionRereading the second line the same way
14. ChallengeThe last line: it already atoned for the doubt
15. ResolutionIt is a dispute between תנאים
16. ProofOutside sacrifices are compared to inside ones
17. StatementA person may volunteer an אשם תלוי any day
18. Proofבבא בן בוטא brought one every day except after יום כיפור
19. Statementחכמים: only for a doubt about a כרת sin
20. Statementיום כיפור cancels an owed אשם תלוי but not definite offerings
21. StatementA doubtful sin on יום כיפור itself is covered
22. StatementA woman's doubtful bird חטאת is still brought after יום כיפור
23. StatementIf the doubt is cleared after מליקה, the bird is buried
24. QuestionWhat is רבי אליעזר's reason?
25. ResponseThe later חטאת shows the אשם תלוי was only a gift
26. ResolutionThe חכמים: only עולה and שלמים can be gifts
27. ResolutionThe אשם תלוי protects the person until he finds out
28. ChallengeMaybe the אשם תלוי can come both ways, like עולה and שלמים
29. ResolutionEach offering follows its main setting in the תורה
30. Statementרבי חייא recites a teaching before רבא