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Kesubos 110b

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Ketubot 110b

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Topic

Forcing a spouse to move (town and city, nicer homes, ארץ ישראל and ירושלים), which currency pays a כתובה, and the value of living in ארץ ישראל.

Overview

This amud finishes the משנה about when a husband may make his wife move. He may not force a move between a small town (עיר) and a big city (כרך) in either direction. רבן שמעון בן גמליאל adds that she may refuse even a move to a nicer home, because any change of routine is hard on the body, as שמואל taught. A new משנה then rules that either spouse may force the family to move up to ארץ ישראל or to ירושלים, but no one may force them to leave. A ברייתא spells out the price of refusing: a wife loses her כתובה, and a husband must divorce her and pay it. Next the גמרא explains which country's money pays a כתובה. רבה says the first תנא holds a כתובה is דרבנן and so always allows the cheaper money, while רבן שמעון בן גמליאל holds it is דאורייתא. A ברייתא about loan documents is clarified along the way. The amud ends with strong praise for living in ארץ ישראל, and then begins the story of רבי זירא hiding from רב יהודה, who held that leaving בבל breaks a מצות עשה. That story continues on the next amud.

Opening lines

אֲבָל לֹא מֵעִיר לִכְרַךְ,

But not from a town to a big city,

וְלֹא מִכְּרַךְ לְעִיר.

and not from a big city to a town.

מוֹצִיאִין מִנָּוֶה הָרַע(ה) לְנָוֶה הַיָּפֶה,

One may move her from a bad home to a nice home,

אֲבָל לֹא מִנָּוֶה הַיָּפֶה לְנָוֶה הָרַע(ה).

but not from a nice home to a bad home.

The steps (47)

  1. StatementNo forced move between a town and a big city
  2. StatementMoving from a bad home to a nice home
  3. Statementרבן שמעון בן גמליאל: even an upgrade can be refused
  4. QuestionWhy can't he move her from a town to a big city?
  5. ResponseLiving in a big city is hard: a proof from נחמיה
  6. QuestionWhat does 'tests' mean?
  7. ResponseA change in routine can make you sick
  8. Statementבן סירא: all the days of the poor are bad
  9. ChallengeBut poor people enjoy שבת and יום טוב
  10. ResolutionEven a good change hurts the poor
  11. Statementבן סירא: even the poor man's nights are bad
  12. StatementAnyone may force a move up to ארץ ישראל or ירושלים
  13. StatementWhich currency pays the כתובה: the תנא קמא's cases
  14. Statementרבן שמעון בן גמליאל disagrees, and the case everyone agrees on
  15. QuestionWhat does 'all can force the move up' add?
  16. ResponseIt includes slaves
  17. QuestionWhat if the משנה already mentions slaves?
  18. ResponseIt includes moving from a nice home to a worse one
  19. QuestionWhat does 'all may not force them out' add?
  20. ResponseA runaway slave who reached ארץ ישראל
  21. QuestionWhat does 'all can force the move to ירושלים' add?
  22. ResponseMoving to a worse home in ירושלים
  23. QuestionWhat does 'all' add in 'all may not take out'?
  24. ResponseEven a move from a bad home to a nice home
  25. ResolutionWhy the משנה repeats 'may not take out'
  26. StatementA ברייתא: one spouse wants to move up to ארץ ישראל
  27. StatementThe ברייתא continues: one spouse wants to leave ארץ ישראל
  28. ChallengeThe next line of the משנה contradicts itself
  29. ChallengeThe first and last cases of the משנה seem to follow opposite rules
  30. Resolutionרבה: The משנה is giving a leniency for a כתובה
  31. Resolutionרבן שמעון בן גמליאל holds a כתובה is from the תורה
  32. StatementA ברייתא: which money pays a loan document
  33. Statement"Money" with no coin named: the borrower chooses; a כתובה is different
  34. QuestionWhich clause does 'but not a כתובה' refer to?
  35. ResponseIt refers to the first clause, unlike רבן שמעון בן גמליאל
  36. ChallengeMaybe 'money' means pieces of raw silver
  37. ResolutionThe document says 'coins'
  38. ChallengeMaybe small coins are meant
  39. ResolutionNobody makes small coins out of silver
  40. StatementAlways live in ארץ ישראל
  41. ChallengeDoes someone outside the land really have no God?
  42. ResolutionIt means it is as if he serves עבודה זרה
  43. ProofSupport from דוד's words
  44. QuestionWho ever told דוד to serve idols?
  45. ConclusionLiving outside the land is as if serving עבודה זרה
  46. Statementרבי זירא avoids his teacher because he wants to move to ארץ ישראל
  47. Statementרב יהודה: going up from בבל to ארץ ישראל breaks a positive מצוה