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Kesubos 29a

כתובות כ״ט ע״א

Ketubot 29a

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Topic

The opening of פרק אלו נערות: which young women receive the קנס, and the dispute between רבי מאיר and חכמים about the קנס for a קטנה

Overview

The third פרק of כתובות opens with a משנה listing young women whose rapist must pay the קנס even though they have flawed lineage, such as a ממזרת, a נתינה and a כותית. It adds converts, captives and maidservants whose new status began before age three years and one day. It also adds forbidden relatives and a נדה, because those sins carry כרת and not מיתת בית דין. The גמרא asks whether the list means girls with proper lineage get no קנס. It answers that the list only adds the flawed cases. The גמרא then notes that the משנה speaks of a נערה and not a קטנה, and רב identifies this with רבי מאיר. A ברייתא shows that רבי מאיר holds a קטנה can be sold but gets no קנס, and a נערה gets the קנס but cannot be sold. חכמים give the קנס from age three years and one day. The גמרא asks whether חכמים deny the father's right of sale, and it begins to correct their wording, a correction that continues on the next amud.

Opening lines

אֵלּוּ נְעָרוֹת שֶׁיֵּשׁ לָהֶן קְנָס:

These are the young women for whom there is a fine:

הַבָּא עַל הַמַּמְזֶרֶת

One who has relations with a mamzeret

וְעַל הַנְּתִינָה וְעַל הַכּוּתִית,

or with a Gibeonite woman, or with a Samaritan woman;

הַבָּא עַל הַגִּיּוֹרֶת וְעַל הַשְּׁבוּיָה

one who has relations with a convert, or with a captive woman,

The steps (10)

  1. StatementYoung women with flawed lineage still receive the fine
  2. StatementForbidden relatives still receive the fine when there is only כרת
  3. ChallengeDo only flawed young women get the fine?
  4. ResolutionThe list adds flawed women to the fine
  5. QuestionWhich תנא excludes a minor from the fine?
  6. ResponseThe answer: the משנה follows רבי מאיר
  7. ProofThe ברייתא showing רבי מאיר's view
  8. Statementחכמים give the קנס even to a young girl
  9. ChallengeDo חכמים really mean a young girl cannot be sold?
  10. ResolutionThe גמרא begins to correct the wording