Kesubos 43b

כתובות מ״ג ע״ב

Ketubot 43b

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Topic

A daughter's earnings when her brothers support her, who receives her כתובה money, and when the כתובה's lien on the husband's property begins

Overview

This amud opens by finishing an answer from the previous page. It then brings רב's ruling that a בת הניזונת מן האחין keeps her own earnings, learned from a פסוק about slaves. The גמרא works out whether רב or שמואל said it, and rules that the הלכה follows רב. A new משנה teaches that a daughter's כתובה money goes to her father if she was only betrothed, but to her if she was fully married. רבי יהודה gives the first כתובה to the father. From the משנה's wording, the גמרא learns that a woman widowed twice may not remarry, following רבי's view that two times make a חזקה. The גמרא first explains רבי יהודה's reason as the father gaining the rights at אירוסין. After רבא's challenge, it corrects this: the כתובה was written while she was under his authority. Finally, רב הונא and רב אסי disagree about when the כתובה's lien on the husband's property begins. רב הונא's ruling about a woman holding two כתובות is shown not to contradict his view.

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The steps (26)

1. ResolutionThe case is one where he wounded her face
2. StatementA daughter supported by her brothers keeps her own earnings
3. Statementאבימי בר פפי says שקוד said it
4. QuestionWho is שקוד? שמואל
5. ChallengeBut רב said it
6. Resolutionשמואל also said it
7. Statementנהרדעא rules like רב ששת
8. Statementרב אשי rules like רב
9. ConclusionFinal ruling: like רב
10. StatementBetrothed only: the כתובה goes to the father
11. StatementFully married: the כתובה is hers
12. Statementרבי יהודה: the first כתובה goes to the father
13. RejectionThe Sages answer: after marriage the father has no authority
14. StatementWhy the משנה avoided 'widowed twice'
15. ConclusionThe משנה quietly follows רבי: two times make a חזקה
16. QuestionWhat is the reason for רבי יהודה's view?
17. ResponseThe father gained the rights at the time of betrothal
18. Challengeרבא objects from the case of a girl who grew up before marriage
19. ResolutionThe corrected reason: the כתובה was written under the father's authority
20. QuestionFrom when can a כתובה be collected?
21. ResponseWhen the lien begins: רב הונא and רב אסי disagree
22. ChallengeDid רב הונא really say this? His ruling about two כתובות
23. ChallengeThe problem spelled out: why not 200 from the first date and 100 from the second?
24. RejectionPushback: by that logic she should get all 500
25. QuestionWhy can she not collect five hundred?
26. ResponseThe second document was meant as a choice, not an addition