Kesubos 57a

כתובות נ״ז ע״א

Ketubot 57a

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Topic

A lost כתובה, waiving a כתובה by words alone, and a new משנה on wedding preparation time and eating תרומה

Overview

A woman lost her כתובה, and the couple asked רב יוסף what to do. At first he followed חכמים, who let a couple live together for a while without a written כתובה. אביי reminded him that the הלכה follows רבי מאיר in his גזירות, so רב יוסף told the husband to write a new כתובה. Next, the גמרא asks when a wife can give up part of her כתובה just by saying so. רב דימי and רבין bring opposite reports of what רבי יהושע בן לוי said about this. In both reports רבי יוחנן seems to disagree with him. Each time, רבי אבהו says that רבי יוחנן told him personally that they agree, and the words 'beginning' and 'end' are defined so the two fit. רב פפא says he would otherwise have made the two reports agree and let the two rabbis argue. The גמרא learns from this a rule: we prefer to explain a dispute as two rabbis using their own reasoning, not as a mix-up in reporting one teacher. Finally, a new משנה gives the bride and groom time to prepare for the wedding. It says when a betrothed woman may eat her husband's food and תרומה, and that a יבם does not let her eat תרומה. It then says these rules were the 'first משנה' and begins a later court's ruling, which continues on the next amud.

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The steps (23)

1. StatementA lost כתובה and רב יוסף's first answer
2. Challengeאביי: the הלכה follows רבי מאיר's decrees
3. Conclusionרב יוסף agrees: write her a new כתובה
4. Statementרבי יהושע בן לוי: the dispute is only at the beginning
5. Statementרבי יוחנן: the dispute applies in both cases
6. Resolutionרבי אבהו: there is no real disagreement
7. StatementWhat רבי יהושע בן לוי meant by 'beginning' and 'end'
8. ConclusionWhat רבי יוחנן meant by 'both cases'
9. Statementרבין brings the opposite version
10. Statementרבי יוחנן says the dispute is in both cases
11. Resolutionרבי אבהו: רבי יוחנן said they do not argue
12. StatementWhat רבי יהושע בן לוי meant
13. ConclusionWhat רבי יוחנן meant by 'both'
14. Statementרב פפא: how I would have read it otherwise
15. StatementHow רב דימי and רבין would match
16. QuestionWhat is רב פפא teaching us?
17. ResponseThe point of רב פפא's statement: prefer a dispute over reasoning
18. StatementHow long the bride and groom get to prepare for the wedding
19. StatementWhen the time passes without a wedding, she eats from his food
20. Statementרבי טרפון and רבי עקיבא: how much of her food may be תרומה
21. StatementA יבם does not let her eat תרומה
22. StatementTime with the husband and the יבם does not add up
23. StatementThe earlier rulings were the original version, and a later court is about to change them