Kesubos 59a

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Ketubot 59a

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Topic

Who owns a wife's extra work, and how שמואל's ruling on a wife's קונם fits with the rule that one cannot consecrate what does not yet exist.

Overview

The amud opens with a מחלוקת about what the husband's food (מזונות) and weekly coin (מעה כסף) pay for. רב ושמואל say food pays for her regular work and the coin pays for her extra work (מותר). רב אדא בר אהבה says the reverse, so the husband who feeds her owns the מותר. The גמרא explains that one side pairs common with common and the other pairs fixed with fixed. A ברייתא and a משנה are each brought as challenges, and both are answered by rereading them. Then שמואל rules like רבי יוחנן הסנדלר, that a husband cannot consecrate earnings that do not exist yet. This seems to clash with his ruling like רבי יוחנן בן נורי about a wife's קונם on her earnings. The גמרא tries several answers: רב יוסף says vows are different, and רב הונא בריה דרב יהושע says she vowed on her hands, which already exist. That answer leads to a debate, using the case of a sold field, about whether a הקדש can take effect later when it cannot take effect now. רב פפא's comparison continues on the next amud.

Opening lines

The steps (23)

1. Statementרב ושמואל: food pays for her work, the coin pays for her extra work
2. Statementרב אדא בר אהבה: food pays for the extra work, the coin pays for her work
3. QuestionWhat is the reason behind the disagreement?
4. ResponseCommon matched with common, or fixed matched with fixed
5. ChallengeA ברייתא says food is for her work
6. ResolutionRead it as 'the extra of her work'
7. ChallengeA משנה ties the coin to her work
8. ResolutionRead it as 'the extra of her work is hers'
9. ChallengeThe משנה's next line is about her required work
10. ResolutionThe fixed amount tells us where the extra begins
11. Statementשמואל rules like רבי יוחנן הסנדלר
12. Challengeשמואל seems to contradict himself about the קונם case
13. Resolutionשמואל agreed only about the extra
14. ChallengeWhy did שמואל not say it more clearly?
15. Resolutionרב יוסף: vows are different
16. Challengeאביי: a vow cannot forbid to someone else
17. ResolutionShe vowed on her hands, which already exist
18. ChallengeHer hands are tied to her husband, so how can she consecrate them?
19. ResolutionShe meant it to take effect once she is divorced
20. ChallengeCan something become הקדש later if it cannot become הקדש now?
21. Resolutionרבי אלעאי: a field consecrated for after it is bought back
22. Rejectionרבי ירמיה: the field case is different
23. Rejectionרב פפא: the already-sold field is different too