Kesubos 64b

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Ketubot 64b

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Topic

The rule of the מורד and מורדת, and the minimum support a husband gives his wife through a שליש, with the גמרא's calculation of the weekly meals

Overview

The amud opens with the last words of a reason from the previous page: the rebellious spouse's payment is set so it does not look like שכר שבת. Then רבי חייא בר יוסף asks שמואל why a מורדת is penalized more than a מורד. שמואל gives two answers: a man suffers more from the lack, and his desire shows outwardly, which adds embarrassment. A new משנה follows. It lists what a husband must give a wife he supports through a שליש: grain, legumes, oil, fruit, a bed, clothing, and a silver מעה. It also sets how much wool she spins for him, eases things for a nursing wife, and says these are minimums for a poor man. The גמרא asks whose measure of a meal fits the two קבין of wheat. Using רב חסדא's rule about the storekeeper's profit, and extra meals for guests and travelers, it shows the amount can fit every opinion. It then explains רבי יוסי's comment on barley as being about the double amount, because the barley of אדום was poor. The amud ends by noting that the משנה leaves out wine, which supports רבי אלעזר. His words come on the next amud.

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The steps (36)

1. ResolutionIt would look like getting paid for Shabbat
2. QuestionWhy is a rebellious wife penalized more than a rebellious husband?
3. ResponseLook at who pays whom
4. ResponseA second answer: his desire shows on the outside
5. StatementMinimum grain for a wife supported through a third party
6. Statementרבי יוסי: barley was only allowed in רבי ישמעאל's area
7. StatementLegumes, oil and figs
8. StatementA bed and mats
9. StatementHead covering, belt, shoes and yearly clothing
10. StatementWhen to give the clothes, and who keeps the worn ones
11. StatementSpending money, Friday-night meals, and her earnings
12. StatementHow much wool she spins for him
13. StatementA nursing wife works less and eats more
14. StatementThese are the minimum amounts for a poor man
15. QuestionWhose view does the משנה follow?
16. ProofThe משנה in עירובין: food for two meals
17. Proofרבי יוחנן בן ברוקא's and רבי שמעון's measures
18. ProofThe quote ends: smaller amounts for impurity rules
19. ChallengeThe math fits neither opinion
20. ResolutionAdd a third for the storekeeper's profit
21. ChallengeStill only twelve meals
22. ResolutionShe eats Friday night with her husband
23. ChallengeWhat if 'eating' means marital relations?
24. ChallengeEven then, thirteen meals are needed
25. Resolutionרב חסדא's other version: add a half
26. Challengeרב חסדא seems to contradict himself
27. ResolutionIt depends on whether wood is paid for separately
28. ChallengeNow there are too many meals: sixteen
29. ResolutionThe sixteen fits רבי חידקא's four Shabbat meals
30. ResolutionIt can also fit the רבנן: one extra meal for guests
31. ConclusionNow even רבי שמעון's eighteen meals fit
32. StatementQuoting רבי יוסי on barley
33. ChallengeIs barley eaten only in אדום?
34. ResolutionThe point is the double amount of barley
35. StatementQuoting the half קב of legumes
36. ProofNo wine on the list supports רבי אלעזר