Kiddushin 19a
קידושין י״ט ע״א
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Topic
יעוד of an אמה העבריה: whether it works for a minor son, why it needs consent, and the rulings learned from רבי יוסי ברבי יהודה
Overview
The amud opens by finishing a question: why may a father sell his daughter as a slave after her marriage, if he may not sell her after an earlier slavery? רב נחמן בר יצחק explains that the ברייתא allowing it follows רבי אליעזר. Next, ריש לקיש asks whether a master can do יעוד, designating an אמה העבריה as a wife, for his minor son. רבי זירא brings a proof from the פסוק about adultery, and רב אשי pushes it aside. The גמרא then settles the question with רבי ינאי's ruling: יעוד works only with an adult and only with consent. The גמרא gives two ways to explain why the consent is needed. One way ties it to רבי יוסי ברבי יהודה, who holds that the original sale money was not given for קידושין. The other way, from רב נחמן בר יצחק, learns it straight from the words of the פסוק. Finally, רב נחמן learns two new rulings from רבי יוסי ברבי יהודה's view. A father may tell his minor daughter to accept her own קידושין, and קידושין made with a loan that has a משכון is valid. The explanation of the second ruling continues on the next amud.
Opening lines
מִי שָׁאנֵי?
Is it different?
וּלְרַב נַחְמָן בַּר יִצְחָק דְּאָמַר:
And according to Rav Naḥman bar Yitzḥak, who says:
אֲפִילּוּ לְרַבִּי יוֹסֵי בְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה
Even according to Rabbi Yosei, son of Rabbi Yehuda,
מָעוֹת הָרִאשׁוֹנוֹת לְקִידּוּשִׁין נִיתְּנוּ,
the original money was given for betrothal,
The steps (23)
- ChallengeIs selling after marriage really different?
- QuestionHow does רב נחמן בר יצחק explain the ברייתא?
- ResponseThe ברייתא follows רבי אליעזר
- QuestionCan a father designate a maidservant for his minor son?
- Proofרבי זירא's proof that a minor has no marriage
- ChallengeIf a minor cannot do יעוד, why does the verse need to exclude him?
- ResolutionThe verse is about a nine-year-old יבם
- QuestionSo what is the final ruling?
- Responseרבי ינאי: יעוד only with an adult and only with consent
- ChallengeWhy does רבי ינאי need two rules?
- ResolutionThe second rule is the reason for the first
- ResolutionAnother answer: 'with consent' means her consent
- StatementThe author explains his own ברייתא
- ResolutionThe rule can hold even if the money was for קידושין
- QuestionWhere is רבי יוסי ברבי יהודה's view stated?
- ResponseThe ברייתא: there must be time left for redemption
- Statementרבי יוסי ברבי יהודה: she needs a פרוטה's worth of time left
- ProofSo he holds the original money was not for קידושין
- RejectionThe פסוק 'והפדה' could explain his ruling instead
- StatementA father may tell his minor daughter to accept her own קידושין
- ProofHow the daughter's קידושין rule comes from רבי יוסי ברבי יהודה
- Statementקידושין with a loan that has collateral is valid
- ProofThe אמה עבריה is like a loan where she herself is the collateral