Kiddushin 32b

קידושין ל״ב ע״ב

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Topic

Giving up honor (רב, נשיא, מלך) and the מצוה of standing for a זקן

Overview

This amud asks whether a person who is owed honor can give it up. רבא decides that a רב can, because Torah that a person learns becomes 'his Torah'. Two stories show that even so, people must still show the רב some respect (הידור). רב אשי first says a נשיא cannot give up his honor. The story of רבן גמליאל serving drinks at his son's wedding, defended by רבי יהושע and רבי צדוק, disproves that. So the גמרא restates רב אשי's teaching: a מלך can never give up his honor. Next, a ברייתא explains the מצוה of standing for a זקן: who counts as a זקן, when and where one stands, and that the זקן himself should not trouble people. The גמרא then shows that the תנא קמא and רבי יוסי הגלילי argue about a young חכם. It begins to explain each side's reading of the פסוק, and the argument continues on the next amud.

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The steps (25)

1. Rejectionרבא: A teacher's Torah is not his own
2. Statementרבא changes his mind: the Torah becomes his
3. Challengeרבא got upset when rabbis did not stand for him
4. ChallengeA second story: רב פפא also got upset
5. ResolutionEven so, some respect is still needed
6. Statementרב אשי: a נשיא cannot waive his honor
7. Challengeרבן גמליאל served drinks at his son's wedding
8. Proofרבי יהושע's proof from אברהם
9. Proofרבי צדוק's proof from ה׳ Himself
10. Resolutionרב אשי's teaching restated: a king cannot give up his honor
11. StatementStanding for an elder means standing for a Torah scholar
12. Statementרבי יוסי הגלילי: a זקן is someone who has gained wisdom
13. StatementNo standing from far away
14. StatementHonor does not cost money
15. StatementNo standing in a lavatory or bathhouse
16. StatementNo pretending you didn't see him
17. StatementThe elder should not burden others
18. StatementAny old person is included
19. QuestionIs רבי יוסי הגלילי saying anything new?
20. ResponseThey argue about a young wise person
21. QuestionWhat is רבי יוסי הגלילי's reason?
22. ResponseThe verse separates hoary head from elder
23. ResolutionThe תנא קמא explains why the words are separated
24. QuestionWhat is the תנא קמא's reason?
25. ResponseThe תנא קמא begins his own argument from the פסוק