Kiddushin 60b

קידושין ס׳ ע״ב

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Topic

Conditions of 'על מנת' in גיטין and קידושין: the רב הונא / רב יהודה dispute, and the משנה's conditions about owning or showing money and land.

Overview

The amud opens by asking how רב הונא ('על מנת' works from now) and רב יהודה (it works only when the condition is kept) differ in practice. The answer is a גט that was torn or lost before she paid. The גמרא explains why their dispute had to be stated for both קידושין and גירושין. Two ברייתות seem to refute רב יהודה. He answers that they follow רבי, and he rules like the רבנן. רבי זירא then reports that in ארץ ישראל, רבי יוחנן taught that everyone agrees about 'על מנת'. In that view the argument is only about 'מהיום ולאחר מיתה', and רב יהודה explains this with the rule כח דהיתרא עדיף. The גמרא then works through the משנה's conditions about having or showing money and land. It explains doubtful קידושין, why both money and land are taught, and why she means only his own property. The amud ends by starting to quote a משנה about הקדש, which continues on the next amud.

Opening lines

The steps (34)

1. QuestionWhat is the practical difference between them?
2. ResponseThe difference: a torn or lost גט
3. StatementWhy both disputes are needed: the betrothal case alone would not teach divorce
4. ConclusionWhy both disputes are needed: the divorce case alone would not teach betrothal
5. ChallengeA ברייתא says a torn or lost גט still works
6. ChallengeA second ברייתא: the husband dies before she pays
7. ChallengeEveryone agrees it is a working condition, so this refutes רב יהודה
8. Resolutionרב יהודה: this ברייתא follows רבי, but I rule like the רבנן
9. StatementLooking at רבי's rule on its own
10. Statementרבי זירא: in בבל we thought the רבנן disagree with רבי
11. StatementIn ארץ ישראל: everyone agrees about 'על מנת'
12. ProofA ברייתא shows the argument is about 'from today and after death'
13. ChallengeIf they also argue about 'על מנת', why argue about this case?
14. ResolutionTo show how far רבי's view goes
15. ChallengeWhy not show how far the רבנן's view goes?
16. ResolutionShowing the strength of a lenient view is better
17. ChallengeWhy does the משנה need to teach the deadline condition?
18. ResolutionWe might have thought the deadline was only encouragement
19. ChallengeWhy don't we worry that he really has the two hundred זוז?
20. ResolutionDefinite קידושין compared with doubtful קידושין
21. StatementShe meant to see his own money
22. ChallengeWhy teach that money on the table does not count?
23. ResolutionEven business money in his hands does not count
24. StatementNew משנה: conditions about owning or showing land
25. ChallengeWhy not worry that he might own the land?
26. ResolutionDefinite קידושין versus doubtful קידושין
27. ChallengeWhy teach both the land case and the money case?
28. ResolutionBoth are needed: money can be hidden, land seems public
29. ChallengeThe specific-place condition seems obvious
30. ResolutionHe might argue the place makes no difference to her
31. StatementShe only meant his own land
32. ChallengeWhy say that land in a valley doesn't count?
33. ResolutionHe works that field as a sharecropper
34. StatementTurning to a law about הקדש